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hi, I am in graduate school here, it seems very very funny that I have been called ABC by many taiwanese students here. the truth is I came here since 12, I speak fluent Taiwanese, and I actually ver clumsy in mandarin, since I am born in Kaohsiung. as matter of fact, I had been punished by teacher in elementary school for speaking Taiwanese; you know: ¥bÃÛ, demerits....etc. (I must apologize for typing mostly in english because I cant type chinese fast enough).
Anyway, as I hang out more with the taiwanese students I found out that they mostly second generation mainland chinese. and some taiwanese. I found I had mor eproblem with the 2nd gen chinese, or rather, they have problem with me, for speaking taiwanese. they usually try to shut me up when I speak taiwanese with them. and they call me ABC because other than taiwanese I speak fluent english. then an older taiwanese student who became my close friend told me that they have inferiority complex. I do claim that I am taiwanese with pride, but I was met with derision from them, the funny thing is, those other taiwanese student usually are quiet, but then some even started to use the same name on me....­Þªü!
Please tell me how should I face these people? It sucks when you are put down foe rediculous reasons, it is so unfair!!

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Jim ¡@©ó¡@2003/02/24 10:22
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>>>an older taiwanese student who became my close friend told me that they have inferiority complex.
Who has inferiority complex? Taiwanese or Mainlander?

>>I do claim that I am taiwanese with pride, but I was met with derision from them, the funny thing is, those other taiwanese student usually are quiet, but then some even started to use the same name on me....­Þªü!

What do they call you?


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Jim ¡@©ó¡@2003/02/24 11:02
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You probably mean Taiwanese has inferiority complex. Thats true.
Taiwanese has no confidence on Taiwan own culture and language.
Taiwanese consider ¥~¬Ù¤Hªº¥ô¦óªF¦è ¤ñ¥xÆW¤H¦n
Being a Taiwanese is a stigama for some Taiwanese. They just follow whatever ¥~¬Ù¤H

¥~¬Ù¤H have superiority complex. However, you can speak more fluent English than ¥~¬Ù¤H do. This hurt ¥~¬Ù¤H s superiority complex becuase ¥~¬Ù¤H consider themselves are superior to Taiwanese in everything. So, in order to save their face, they called ABC to downplay the truth that you can speak more fluent Englsih than ¥~¬Ù¤H.

They call you ABC. ¤£¥Î¥Í®ð ¦b¥xÆW ¥~¬Ù¤H³Ì±R«ô ABC ¤F


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«í·R¥x ¡@©ó¡@2003/02/24 13:51
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savage ¡@©ó¡@2003/03/03 03:13
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if you feel that ¥Ç¤H³£¬OÁ¿¥x»yon ¹qµøªÀ·|·s»D then you are looking at just the end product of the news manipulation.
who finance these so called NEWS AGENCY?
Also, the people from the labor force are often the victims of dramatic policy change and economic shift.
In US, often the black people are criminals on the TV news, does that make all black people criminals? What about US Secretary of State Collin Powell? Is just because being a black he becomes a rapist, gangster, or a murderor?


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Iris ^_~ ¡@©ó¡@2003/03/04 06:08
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Dear Savage:

Well, these ppl youre talking about are mainly ignorant ppl (I mean, those who called you ABC and stuff... )

Ive been called an ABC myself, even though I speak perfect mandarin, just because they think Ill probably know English better coz Ive lived in Canada longer than Ive lived in Taiwan. The truth is, these people take the term ABC as a compliment, while I, on the other hand, pity their lack of confidence. It really isnt a healthy attitude to hold towards your own country and your own people.

As for putting down Taiwanese people, I think its more like... hmm.... I dun know if u still remember in elementary school and stuff (which Im not quite too far from ^^ Its just a few years ago) the people who have the really bad marks used to put down other people to make themselves feel better? I reckon this is exactly what is going on in Taiwan... ^^ Those who really love the foreigners tend to lack confidence, and because they lack confidence, they want to put down the people who speak Taiwanese so they can feel better....

Oh well, Im not sure if what Im saying here is making sense, but... uh, wateva~ ^^;;


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