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1 generate government revenue
2 redistribute income
Fairness of Tax:
1. Equal situation pays about equal tax
2. Higher income pays higher tax
Single tax is a redistribution of income from poeple with no children to people with children. This might be disirable in an aging society with a very low fertility rate and the country does not desire immigration. If the society is aging rapidly there can be a situation of too few workers to support the economy. This can be fixed in a couple of ways:
1. Encourage people to have children
2. Welcome immigration
3. Increase productivity of individual by invest heavily today on capital (ig, automation) and education.
Are children always a net tax contributor-- ie, the tax they pay exceed the benefit they take, discounted for timing ?
No necessary. Examples include disaility, life time poverty, or life time criminal.
But on average, people are net contributor.
The key is quality of people.
The conclusion is,
If you can have kids and you dont yet... try to give your country a hand by having kids.
If you had kids already, please well educate them to be normal citizens with high productivity.
And government should help family with many kids and cant afford to educate them. A means-tested assistance is good.
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Single people do not necessarily have a higher income. Refer to tax fairness rule number 2.
Single people does not necessarily have a higher income.
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1, I agree with you that single people can be net tax contributor. And many are.
2. My point is ½Òµ|À³¥H¦¬¤J¬°¦Ò¶q,¤£¬O¥H¨¥÷¬°¦Ò¶q, just like aa mentioned above. Please refer to my prior posting. higher income pays higher tax single people does not necessarily have higher income
3. Government has to decide how tax revenue is collected and how spent. It is not an issue of ¤ç¤çp¸û¥L¥I¥X¦h¤Ö¡B±o¨ì¦h¤Ö. Best effort to make tax burden equal and fair is important. It has to do with social justice.
4. Government has to plan on future demographics. Demography and labor market is a very important factor of economy and government can not manage economy without this factor.
5. Many advanced country have immigration policy. This is one side of demographic management.
6. I did not say single tax is good. But I need to point out the possible crisis of too few workers when we get old. On a worst scenario there can be so few workers that we will have to line up to buy food or see doctors when we are old. We need to consider this problem and come up with a solution.
7. I suggested invest in automation and education as part of the solution.
8. I think immigration and ecourage people to have kids should also be considered seriously. These solutions have more complex implications such as:
immigrants from China could impact our political independence.
immigrants from other country will bring in their culture and impact society.(good and bad)
equality of tax if we spend more money on children or give more tax credit to people have children (another form of single tax as many friends here have pointed out).
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