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You guys are all insane! I means there are enough crazy Chinese who are talking about nuke Taiwan but people here are no better than those bastards. Yeah just kill eachother peoples lives are worth nothing anyway.
I thought Taiwanese are really smarter than the Chinese but I guess you guys are related in (cold)blood after all.

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upstair travel , what is cold blood ?? if you was lived under the gun-shut , you would
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travel , so stupid about your statement .

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yang ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/13 02:20
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You guys ARE totally insane, the moment you destroy the dam, a conventional war will be escalated into one with mass destruction, and China can unleash so much more massive destructive powers on Taiwan than Taiwan could ever muster.

The result? Several flooded Chinese provinces with millions dead or homeless, unrest... etc... AND a ruined Taiwan where the entire fabric of civilized society is wiped out. You crazy dickheads...


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travel ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/13 03:38
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To Mr.Yang:

It is useless, I have already told them that..Maybe there are too much hate, so much that people cant even think clearly.


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zz ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/13 03:57
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travel ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/13 04:04
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you mean ¥@¬É¤Ó¥­¤F or better our mother earth will go down in such a conflict? if nobody have realised yet that would be WW III.

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travel ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/13 04:27
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Now maybe it is better if you guys just kill eachother, China nukes Taiwan, Taiwan bombs China and US stay out of this mess so the conflict wont become too big, after that China would be hurt badly and isolated from the rest of the world, then we dont need to worry about them become too strong anymore.(since they will go down painfully) Sadly Taiwan would be the sacrifice for that but heh if you want to gain something you have to sacrifice something too.
More importantly if there are so much hate between Taiwanese and Chinese a conflict between them will eventually happen even if Taiwan become really independent. (or reunited with China) So it shouldnt really matter.


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MJ ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/13 07:52
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Dear Mr. Yang and travel

Have you heard of MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction). This is the only strategy works when you face a insane enemy, like former Soviet Union or China. Thats the strategy US had during the cold war. Its crazy but it kept WW3 from happening. Both of you can exercise your critical thinking skill now.


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NO:691_90
travel ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/13 15:35
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hopeless....
I mean under the precondition that if China nukes Taiwan, destroying Taiwanese cities or mass-killing ordinary Taiwanese citizens I guess it is okay if Taiwan use this inhuman way to kill off some innocent Chinese citizens. But keep in mind that China will never do so unprovoced since those things are what makes Taiwan so attractive to China(you wont say that they are after natural ressources will you?) and they will surely try their best not to destroy Taiwan, even after a defeat(will probably happen if US comes in) it is quite unlikely they they will switch to nukes (if USA dont attacks China directly that is.) A millitary defeat alone wll never justify those mass-killing actions, not for China and not for Taiwan too.

After observing this place for sometimes I am quite surprised that Taiwanese here are so full of hate that most they do is a)inulting China or b)inulting other parties/persons in Taiwan(mainly the blues). Until now to me Taiwan should be a small democratic nation which loves peace, but if most Taiwanese are like that then Taiwan is small(yes), democratic(maybe) and peaceloving(my a**)

The Chinese are probably(havent found any place yet maybe they are blocked from inside???) worse than that but I thought better of the Taiwanese. Why can my friends from Taiwan and China work and become friends together? because they are both outside their own countries? I mean they surely have diffrent opinions about many things but out of the respect for eachother and for the sake of friendship they are both willing/able to avoid the conflict. (Chinese and Taiwanese in their own countries probably cant do that.)

This will be probably my last post here (so be happy and do whatever you like) so let me say that if you guys decide to fight eachother then let it stay as a civil war and save the destuctions for yourselfs.


NO:691_91
§õ²E­·®á ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/13 16:15
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to travel : ** hopeless --> It is you

Friendship is not built under the ** China gun-shot ** , do you understand ??

again : so stupid about your statement , travel

It is ** CHINA ** will destroy and fight TAIWAN ( Formosa ) , Can you understand ?


NO:691_92
Excalibur ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/13 16:16
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NO:691_97
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NO:691_102
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NO:691_103
yorkhung ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/13 23:31
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to Traval
Guess you dont understand Chinese and Taiwanese relation.
Taiwanese has never wanted to attack China.
However, Taiwanese wants to defend themselves.

If Chinese fire the first shot, whos fault is it?
Do you really mean Taiwanese just give up and let Chinese take over?
Taiwanese love peace, but they have to defend they own democracy.

If you want Taiwanese to surrender without fight, it just like telling British to sureender when Hitler attacks.
Do you really understand the situation?

TAIWANESE WILL NOT ATTACK CHINESE FIRST!!!!.


NO:691_104
zz ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/14 01:30
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Yes!
Live and let live otherwise you will go down with me!!

NO:691_105
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deutscher ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/16 20:43
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but if you are willing to kill off 1/5 of human race (when the most of them are innocent) just for your own selfishness then you must be anything but human. Wherether Chinese are related with Taiwanese or not isnt the point here.

NO:691_129
¥H¦â¦C¦P·ù ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/16 21:10
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

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NO:691_130
deutscher ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/16 21:39
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

Thats great then do what you must, but keep in mind that such a action can only have two outcome: 1) China retaliate with nukes/or whatever MDW they got to destroy Taiwan which is most likely. 2) China admits its defeat out of fear or whatever reason they have and leave Taiwan alone (Not that they will forget about that of course and future conflicts are promised) In the meantime can Taiwan really enjoy its independence after committed the best mass-killing of civilians in human history. (You think everybody around the world are brainwashed by hate like you guys?) The world will see how peaceful Taiwan really is and take some action, without the sympathy of the world commuity lets how can a little one like you maintain your independence. (and everything else)

NO:691_131
¥H¦â¦C¦P·ù ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/16 22:08
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NO:691_132
deutscher ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/16 22:20
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

Ãi±o²z§A¤F...same to you

NO:691_133
Leopard Cat ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/16 22:20
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NO:691_134
deutscher ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/16 22:24
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

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finally somebody with good sense.


NO:691_135
¥H¦â¦C¦P·ù ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/16 22:31
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

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NO:691_136
¥H¦â¦C¦P·ù ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/16 22:37
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

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NO:691_137
yorkhung ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/16 22:37
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

As far as I know, most Chinese are not innocent.
I have been in Chinese forum for a long time.
Everytime they talk about Taiwan, they want to take over.
If a war is started, most Chinese will support their communist government.
I cant blame them becasue all they had is communist education.
But just dont know how to think is enough to be responsible to the war.

Chinese who want to fight war are in around 25%, and most of them are inlander.
The majority of Chinese who live around the sea do not want to fight the war.
So why do you think Chinese inalnder want to fight the war really bad?
Because they do not have to worry about retaliation from Taiwan.
If Taiwanese threntened Chinese with attacking the dem, inlander will take it into account.
Because inlander can also face destruction, they are less likely to support war.
In the end it can keep both peace and democracy.


NO:691_138
Leopard Cat ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/16 23:14
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

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NO:691_139
deutscher ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/16 23:21
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

to yorkhung,
Of course in the forum you can meet all sorts of people, while I was in China when I ask some chinese citizens(mostly students) about Taiwan they would mostly say something like heh what about is or no way a war will happen, I believe that the reality is that they know nothing or very little about Taiwan unlike people from HongKong. (strange I thought HongKong Chinese are more likely to support Taiwan independence) Basicly what I have learnt is that the most of them (at least all I have met so far) are people who are very polite and love peace. Btw I havent met any warmongers in China so far.

On the other hand while I was never in Taiwan i have also met a few Taiwanese at my university, they are not like people you would find here either. Like i have said before, most people who come into the forum are here to release some stress (including my self) so it is only natural for some to write extrem stuff. (like ¥H¦â¦C¦P·ù?)


NO:691_141
Leopard Cat ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/16 23:51
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

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NO:691_142
apollo ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 01:27
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

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deutscher: I havent met any warmongers in China so far.

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NO:691_143
deutscher ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 01:38
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

to apollo;
I thought the chinese governement said they wont use nukes in a possible conflict with Taiwan before. But right now when they heared about the possibility of ¬µ¤T®l¤jÅò they said they might consider using nukes now...

>> http://www.cdpweb.org/_vti_bin/ck/cankao040601/t07.HTM

Even if I told them that I am a Taiwanese I doubt that they will believe me, since I dont got the look of an Asian. Btw I am not an American (shouldnt you have realised by my crappy English?) and I dont think their nukes in WW2 are justified. (leveling up cities will never be justified.)


NO:691_144
apollo ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 02:20
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

deutscher,

What about this?

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NO:691_145
apollo ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 02:29
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NO:691_146
ÅÞ¿è ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 04:55
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

Btw Taiwan reserves the right to attack any Chinese or Chinese owned target by any mean if China dares to attack Taiwan.

Deutscher, ©_©Ç and travel ¡V why don¡¦t you guys to ask the aggressors, Chinese, to back off?


NO:691_147
zz ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 05:11
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

deutscher:I thought the chinese governement said they wont use nukes in a possible conflict with Taiwan before.
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NO:691_148
yorkhung ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 06:21
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

to deutscher:
Taiwanese wont bomb the dem normally; however, it is a political resouce.
Chinese has rejected Taiwanese from joining WHO, WTO, and United Nation.
Furthermore, Chinese government always threntened Taiwanese to fight a war.
By the means, Taiwanese has to use some tactic to get equality in treaty table.
Attacking the dem is just an posibility that Taiwanese wont use it until the end.
Same for Chinese, they wont use the 100 missiles until the end.
However, both side have to hold some card so they can get a better position.
Right now you are trying to tell Taiwanese give up their weapon and let Chinese get whatever they want, include take over Taiwan without Taiwaneses approval.

NO:691_149
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NO:691_150
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NO:691_156
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NO:691_157
®ü°ê¥k½Ãªù ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 21:01
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NO:691_158
Student ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 22:00
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

but if you are willing to kill off 1/5 of human race (when the most of them are innocent) just for your own selfishness then you must be anything but human. Wherether Chinese are related with Taiwanese or not isnt the point here
Pathetic. I feel sorry for your country. I hope when the wholds 1/5 population is having fun with ur mom, you will say the same thing.
Pathetic.
A whold peace that sacrifice Taiwan, means nothing to Taiwan.

NO:691_159
Student ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 22:03
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

Above is for deutscher. In case deutscher cant figure out.

I dont want war. I dont want to die. However, if I have to do both to defend my country, I will.


NO:691_160
deutscher ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 23:15
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

When did China attacks Taiwan? Have I missed something?
Did you take the word of some warmongers too seriously?
After WW2 the French are talking about attacking us for decades, did they do it? Arent we good friend(more or less) today?
Of course the situation of Taiwan and China are different and I can understand why you are so angry, but war and killing doesnt happen so easily today. Todays China isnt like the China during Maos era when it was mostly isolated from the world community.
Sure They can talk tough (after all they cant back off without losing face) but they are not stupid to throw everything they have gained so far away so easily. (Otherwise China wont be the China today) I believe Taiwan can eventualy make a peaceful deal with China to become really independent, (But it wont happen when the hate between you are growing so fast) you just have to find a way that nobody will lose face. (Face is a stupid thing but thats Asia I guess)

And dont mind the talking in internet as that is the case with almost every political forum, nationalism is a problem at anyplace.


NO:691_161
yorkhung ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 23:27
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

Yeah, nationalism is stupid thing I suppose; however, it is required to defend yourself.
Taiwanese nationalism was not there, but it was boosted by aggrassive Chinese actions.
For example, Taiwanese wants to join WHO to protect their life right, yet Chinese wants to block Taiwaneses intention no matter how many Taiwanese die.
When Taiwanese face a country, can you really think Taiwanese can talk without any backup?
Attacking dam is just one of the political resource Taiwanese have to use to get peaceful talking.

Are you saying Chinese continue saying attaking Taiwanese just for fun?
Well, they are not just talking, but they are actully attacking Taiwan in different fields. WTO, WHO etc.
Taiwanese are just saying they want to attack China and kill 1/5 people, do they really do it yet?
I think you have different standard for Chinese and Taiwanese.
I can understand you have higher expectation for Taiwanese becasue many Chinese study too much patriotic literature, but you have to understand Taiwanese are not there just to be taken over by Chinese.


NO:691_162
TWAN ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 23:55
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

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NO:691_163
deutscher ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/17 23:55
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

Did I ever said I agree with the action of China so far?
It is just that some people here did nothing but shouting for war and insulting other which is just frustrating to watch. (not that chinese political forum are any different)
Will so much hate really help you to get what you want?
I didnt intented to use my Chinese skill to read those things. You can guess that studied Chinese for other reasons.
It was fun here but its getting boring fast, I guess I shouldnt stay online so long, it is unhealthy...for various reasons. Good thing that the reality is so much better.

NO:691_164
zz ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/18 03:53
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

It was fun here but its getting boring fast, I guess I shouldnt stay online so long, it is unhealthy...for various reasons...
******************************************************************************************deutscher:

If you cant take the heat, you just take your BULLSHIT out of here!!


NO:691_165
yorkhung ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/18 06:40
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

to Deutscher:
Just some fact you have to know
1.Chinese has countless missles target at Taiwan.
2.The majority of Chinese do not fear becasue they thought Taiwan is weak
3.The majority of Chinese shout for war against Taiwan

By looking at the reasoning, we can conclude Chinese want to start a war because they dont think Taiwanese can damage them.
In order to make Chinese understand the posibility of destroying each other, it is the best to say it aloud.
If Chinese take Taiwaneses revange into acount, they are less likely to attack Taiwan.
The only peace can only be established this way.

If you read those post here, you can find people do not want to attack China, but only to fight back if Chinese attack Taiwan first.
Can you really blame people who just want to do self-defense?
Or do you really want to Taiwanese to sureender without a fight?
Look at Chinese opionion about attacking Taiwanese first, and Taiwanese opionion about fight back if Chinese attack Taiwan first, can you really look it as the same thing?
Only the aggrassive action should be condamn, but not the defensive action.
Taiwanese do not want to attack China, but only fight back if Chinese attack Taiwanese first


NO:691_166
®ü°ê¥k½Ãªù ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/18 15:13
Re:¤W®ü»P¤jÅò¡A¤¤°ê·Ç³ÆÄ묹­þ¤@­Ó¡H

to Deutscher:


>>> I believe Taiwan can eventualy make a peaceful deal with China to become really independent, (But it wont happen when the hate between you are growing so fast) you just have to find a way that nobody will lose face. (Face is a stupid thing but thats Asia I guess)



Thank you for your comments of NO:691_160

Your idea is welcome. Actually, we are working on it all the way.

What we feel about Chinas CLAIM is like somebody demands that You are no more than a subject to that somebody, if and only if you accept that, you might be allowed to sit down and discuss your terms of ¡ySelf-government¡z(or more precisely, ¡yYour Surrender¡z? INDEPENDENCE is not applicable, it is forbidden ! ).

Worst of all, that CLAIM is not negotiable.

Its absurd, isnt it? The officials of Chinese government must be out of their minds. They want anything but peaceful deal. How could we make a peaceful deal with China ?


NO:691_167
asd ¡@©ó¡@2004/06/19 18:47
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