怎麼都沒有看到聯軍使用電磁脈衝彈?
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華劍少 於 2003/04/04 16:25 | |
怎麼都沒有看到聯軍使用電磁脈衝彈? | |
打到現在為止,為什麼聯軍都一直遲遲不使用電磁脈衝彈? 報導上不是有說聯軍有這種「不會傷人」的兵器,怎麼到現在只看到聯軍在那邊一直用戰斧巡弋飛彈.集束炸彈等,亂炸一通,就是不見他們使用「傳說中致勝之兵器」--電磁脈衝彈,什麼原因呢? |
貓貓 於 2003/04/04 16:29 | |
Re:怎麼都沒有看到聯軍使用電磁脈衝彈? | |
電磁脈衝彈是用來對付敵方的C4SIR系統用的軟殺武器,可是,在這場戰爭中,美軍采用的策略是更絕的一招----直接爆破,完全免隨後患。 |
Luke-Skywalker 於 2003/04/04 16:38 | |
Re:怎麼都沒有看到聯軍使用電磁脈衝彈? | |
別說電磁脈波炸彈(Electromagnetic Bombs, E-bombs)沒派上用場,連曾在1999年的科索沃戰爭上場的CBU-94石墨炸彈(Graphite Bomb),這次也沒見到影子..... |
fer-de-lance 於 2003/04/07 10:26 | |
Re:怎麼都沒有看到聯軍使用電磁脈衝彈? | |
JDAMs are cheap and they work. There is nothing like ordnance on antennas and fibre-optic nodes for absolute effectiveness. If you deployed an exotic weapon like the E-bomb - how would you whether know it worked? Why wonder if you can be sure with many big lumps of PBX? :) Furthermore, there has never been confirmation that any E-bombs are operational in the U.S. Graphite filament weapons were used to temporarily disable power grids in Serbia during Allied Force. There were rumors that there would be TLAMs deploying this weapon in the present campaign. However, the ground war progressed so quickly, there appeared to be no need. The Iraqis turned the power off in Bagdad by themselves. |
flak 於 2003/04/07 11:52 | |
Re:怎麼都沒有看到聯軍使用電磁脈衝彈? | |
>連曾在1999年的科索沃戰爭上場的CBU-94石墨炸彈(Graphite Bomb),這次也沒見到影子..... 石墨炸彈第一次用的時候把電廠癱瘓了半天,後來南斯拉夫人抓到訣竅以後(吸塵器?),半小時就清完了。 後來就很少聽說這玩意了,據說美國發展更細的纖維,連電子零件主機板都會短路的,不過也沒什麼消息。 |
flak 於 2003/04/07 13:49 | |
Re:怎麼都沒有看到聯軍使用電磁脈衝彈? | |
>If you deployed an exotic weapon like the E-bomb - how would you whether know >it worked? Why wonder if you can be sure with many big lumps of PBX? :) 其實就算是高爆彈還是會有確認戰果的問題。 當然,在光電或其他影像方式可以進行BDA的時候,炸碎的屍體比「內傷」的電子設備來得容易確認。不過在SEAD作戰中,戰機發射ARM時唯一的參考就是雷達訊號,往往也只能靠雷達訊號的中斷與否來判斷目標是否已被摧毀。 最簡單的方法就是計時,當你知道目標雷達位置時,射控系統會估計飛彈到達的時間,戰機則監聽雷達是否提早關機,或在抵達時間點之後仍然發射訊號。但在越戰長期教學相長之下,很多雷達手也練就了一身好功夫可以撐到最後一秒關機,這招就沒什麼效。 所以美國在ARM上開始會裝信號彈,在命中前會發射,一方面讓飛行員確認命中點,二方面可以讓友機攜帶集束炸彈「清掃」一下目標附近。另一種方式是要ARM將接收的雷達信號再由屁股傳送給發射機,發射母機可以比較信號看ARM是否確實鎖定目標。 |
fer-de-lance 於 2003/04/07 14:25 | |
Re:怎麼都沒有看到聯軍使用電磁脈衝彈? | |
In SEAD ops, if you have good DF - eg. EA-6B, with a few cuts and you can get a pretty good triangulated position. Once you have a small enough area of uncertainty - ie. approximate lattitude and longitude - you can uplink it to anyone else who can toss ordnance eg. GPS guided JSOWs at the target area and blanket it with bomblets. THAT is true Network-centric SEAD. If the Weasel wants to do it himself, coming soon is the GPS aided AARGM which with have an active millimetric wave radar seeker along with its ARM capabilities. In Iraqi Freedom, striking C3 had a high priority. The positions of communications antennas and even fiber optic nodes are known from good recon. All I am saying is that they are dealt with most efficiently by physical destruction - rather than inflicting some internal injury which may be hard to assess. 2,000lb of Mk84 (tritonal explosive) with a JDAM attachment inexpensively deals targets on the surface while 2,000lb of BLU-109 (PBXN-109 explosive) with a similar a attachment deals quite well with buried targets. |
flak 於 2003/04/08 11:24 | |
Re:怎麼都沒有看到聯軍使用電磁脈衝彈? | |
EA-6B的單機三角定位能力的確足夠以已知距離模式發射HARM,或指揮友機發射集束彈頭的JSOW。但仍然還有問題,HARM不能確定雷達是什麼原因關機,GPS武器不能確定目標是否還停留在原地。 所以,要解決關機+機動的目標,必須要一開始由多個感測器利用網路交叉分析所得到的資料,ESM偵測目標電波,SAR雷達確認目標影像,GMTI雷達追蹤目標移動。並且在武器發射之後,偵測網路不但要維持追蹤,以交互彌補斷訊的情形,還要能夠更新飛行中彈藥瞄準的座標點。 AARGM可以讓問題比較簡單,額外雷達天線可以辨認目標,而衝壓引擎可以縮短目標可躲藏的時間。 炸彈轟炸光纖線路並不像想像中的接起來就好,美軍最近的實驗發現,爆炸威力可以把幾哩管道內的線路全部扭曲,所以高爆炸藥仍是對付抗EMP光纖線路的王道。 |
fer-de-lance 於 2003/04/10 03:33 | |
Re:怎麼都沒有看到聯軍使用電磁脈衝彈? | |
Youre referring to AMSTE - networking JSTARS, Global Hawk and/or the radar for JSF to track and attack moving targets on the ground. The two competing systems in the program have shown great promise. One uses a modified Maverick missile capable of mid course updates and the other a modified JDAM with wings and real-time updates of target position. Both have hit moving targets in tests. Yes, mobile radars that betrayed their position by radiating will not be able to escape this type of attack by shutting down and moving. The whole point about the Network-centric way of doing things is that multiple sensors can be netted together. This can be passive sensors for DF on radars. With multiple DF cuts - which could be from different platform simultaneously - you would get a good enough fix for an attack with weapons such as JSOW that can cover an area the size of a football field with bomblets. You would need systems that has as good DF resolution as that on the EA-6B - but you are right, a single plane doing multiple cuts might not be good enough. Against fixed radars or ones that takes 15 minutes to uproot and move - this would be effective, |
中台灣小紳士 於 2003/04/15 12:37 | |
Re:怎麼都沒有看到聯軍使用電磁脈衝彈? | |
有用過,不過效果不佳,好像是因為彈頭威力太小的關係 |
fer-de-lance 於 2003/04/26 12:24 | |
Re:怎麼都沒有看到聯軍使用電磁脈衝彈? | |
>有用過,不過效果不佳,好像是因為彈頭威力太小的關係 ??? THATs news to me!! Tell me which branch of the service and which unit deployed these weapons? Getting back to SEAD - Boeing gave a demo of the EF-18G Growler - VERY impressive. The bird has wiring to connect groups of antennas in the nose, wingtip pods and the tail to do Long Baseline Interferometry Direction-Finding. Does not need the football array on the fin of the EA-6B (originally used in ALQ-86) and yet still get extremely accurate DF cuts. The Growler can carry an ALQ-99 Low Band jammer pod on the center-line, two High Band ALQ-99 jammer pods under the wing plus two AARGM and two drop tanks. |
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