用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區
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Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/05 16:43 | |
用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Goa 想講 lan 來練習寫 Holo台語文 , 用台語文討論身軀邊所發生e 大細項 taichit, 用台語文發表各人e 看法, 擴大台語文 ti Holo台語語族人口 laiteh 應用e 範圍, msi kantaN ti 討論台語文本身 kam-ho 書寫 kah kam-ho iong-lai 討論事項e問題 nia-nia. 最近 tih 流行 SARS, chhui-am(嘴掩、口罩)變成 chiaN 熱門e 商品, 如何選擇 masi chiaNche lang e 話題, goa 來 kong 1-koa-a 個人e 認知 ho takke 參考 khoaNmai. 病毒是如何進入有koa chhuiam e lang-e 呼吸系統? Teng-bin 2-e 是直接e 方式, e-kha 2-e 是間接e 方式: Lang所講e N-95 chhuiam tioh-si ti 密合e情況下 etang 隔離 95% e 病原,適合醫護人員使用, nasi 一般人用普通e chhui-lok-a tioh e-sai-chit. 最近有出一種「na-bi(nano meter 10-9M, 奈米) khau-ta」,強調 etang 殺死 liam-ti 表面e 病原, m-koh chiaN貴, naN-siong ai chiaN 千 kho. Na 照 goa 頂面所分析e , kam有必要? Che ai 斟酌想看mai-e. k ㄍ kh ㄎ |
Tai-oan-lang 於 2003/05/05 18:33 | |
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>>khau-cha(口罩) Eng-kai si chhùi-tà |
Henry 於 2003/05/05 19:59 | |
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Chheng-kau Chhan-hoaN-lai hiaN, Li tui 許極燉 bun-chiuN e kui tiam i-kian, goa kati ma-si chan-seng. Tansi ki-tha--e neh? Piju, Kou-sang chu-tiuN piau-tiau ai piau sit-che e tiau (mai piau puntiau), kah o ham o` tui oang, goa chin tong-i. Mchai li jin-ui siaN-khoan? ----------- Leng-goa, chin choe chi-chhi POJ e lang ai kiong-tiau i e lek-su. Lan ai chai ou, lek-su ma-si pau-hok-a. Piju, kau-lo lau lo lai e chokphin, tioh chin choe si sioh thoan-kau e chai-liau, tioh bo-kau tai-chiong-hoa. Leng-goa, tng-ku hou goa-lai chengkhoan kim-iong, ma piausi i u ko-leng bo sui tioh si-tai ianpian. Piju, chin-cheng u lang kong siongsiong(常常)tioh bo sng si Taigi. Na anne kam kong koucha Taioanlang bo kong--e tioh msi Taigi? Goa siuN che si kong boe thong--e. Henry |
Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/06 20:56 | |
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Henry hiaN li ho: 多謝 li-e 指教, goa 是 1-e Holo台語文e 初學者, tui 台語文e 瞭解 chiaN有限, mkoh 有 1-koa kati-e 學習感想, 想beh kong ho takke 參考, anne ti 學習e lolin kahbe 感覺孤單. Goa 認為台文 m-bian 標調號, 白話字 etang ng 多音節演變, 變成多音節e word, anne 可以 避免單音節同音字e 困擾, tioh bo必要標示調號. Hologi 一直 bo kati-e 文字, kanna 文人 ehiau 用漢字寫漢文, koh 借漢字勉強寫Hologi,一般人是 behiau 寫 ma 看bo漢字寫e Hologibun. Hologi 欠缺適當e 文字紀錄, 只有一代thoan一代e 口傳文學流傳落來, anne mna bohoatto 進步發展, nasi tu-tioh 外來強勢語言侵入時, koh真容易 ho 取代消失. Hologi有上古音(口語音) kah 中古音(文讀音)之分, goa 認為上古音是 kah原始e Hologi, 中古音是外來語, m-koh 經過 kui-na 百冬了後 soah 變成 Hologi-e 主要部分,口語音e 使用頻率 kah 領域大大減少. Chitma 北京語 ti 台灣因為政治e 原因變成 lang-lang long ehiau kong e 語言, Holo台語 long pang-be-ki-chit, ti-le kong 台語e時 tiaN-tiaN ai 借用北京語e 常用語詞,譬如「口罩」chit項 mih-kiaN 是近代 khah 出現e, 初出現e 時陣雖然有Holotaigi-e口語說法, mkoh 文字是用漢字寫做「口罩」kanna etang 用文讀音讀做「khau-ta」, 口語說法bo適當e文字 thangho 紀錄落來, soahlai 北京話侵入, lang-lang kanna ehiau kong 「ㄎㄡ ㄓㄠ」. 語言 tui-tioh 時代演變是正常e, mkoh 應該 ai tau-tau-a 來, 穩步向前, 速度 sioN-kin si-e peng-chhia--e , 有適當e 文字系統來紀錄語言 chiah etang 保存 kah 保護語言, koh 進一步 mtaN etang ho 母語發揚光大. |
過客 於 2003/05/07 07:18 | |
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Tai-bun chin chhu-b(趣味),au-pai eng-kai tauh-tauh(常常) iong tai-bun lai chok-ui(作為) tho-lun(討論) e ch...t p3-hun(一部份). |
Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/07 11:23 | |
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Nanometer chhui-am(奈米口罩) chian貴, kam 值得 beh? 廣告強調 I etang thaisi 細菌 kah 分解有機物, mkoh ai goaku-e 時間? 是 chit-bak-nih? iah是 chap 分鐘? ah是 chit 點鐘? 或是 koh khahku-e 時間? Khahsu lan-e 手 mong tioh chhui-am 外表面 iah-be 死 e 病毒 koh mong tioh chhui kah phiN, 防病毒 e khang-khoe mtioh 破功? Nano科技是真好e 科技, m-koh msi 全部. |
Henry 於 2003/05/07 20:14 | |
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Chan-hoaN-lai hiaN, Goa si taN-a oh Taibun, toto pau-han. Goa masi chanseng khoaN etang long mai piautiau bo. Kong mou chit-e gigian an-noa sui, goa siuN long si chukoan e senghun khah choe. Goa siuN Taibun e hochhu chuiau si khah siohbin hoa, soui iah khah hah sitai. Henry |
過客 於 2003/05/07 20:22 | |
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Cheng thia-kong chhui-ta(嘴罩) hui-siong 欠貨,lian kian-g(建議) it-poa(一般) bin-chiong(民眾) s‾(所) su-iong e goa-kho(外科) chhui-ta long khiam-hoe-ah0(缺貨了). |
Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/08 10:52 | |
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Koh-lai 講SARS-e 相關問題,最近開始熱賣e 空氣清淨機 kah 芳香精油, chit 二項商品 long 宣稱 etang 淨化空氣,過濾病原 kah 殺菌. 空氣清淨機 nasi 用 HEPA濾心, 確實etang 過濾 99%-e 病原菌, 芳香精油 ma-u 真久e 使用歷史,雖然 goa 並bo 相信精油e效果, 但是清芳e 空氣加減有緩和緊張e 作用. Mkoh 大部分e 清淨機有活性碳濾心來過濾臭味, 活性碳有吸附有機物e 功能, 精油 tioh-si 一種有機物 e-ho 活性碳吸收去. khah-su lan 1-peng 點精油 1-peng 開清淨機, kam-m-si 白了 khi-a? Nabeh 閱讀台語文,e-tang 到下面 chit kui-e bang站: Nasi 有 m知影 beh an-choaN 寫或是發音 e 台語詞,e-tang 到下面 chia chhoe: |
Dinh Hoan Uan 於 2003/05/08 18:57 | |
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何必那麼辛苦?還是創造[方塊台灣文],也就是[台灣喃字]不是很好嗎?我看[拉丁化台灣文]很辛苦耶! |
Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/09 09:57 | |
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對任何新e 文字系統,tu 開始 long e 感到生疏, na-msi 國民教育九冬e華語漢字教育,每禮拜上8~9點鐘,我想大部分e lang ma 看華文真艱苦, mkoh 只要真短e時間就看有漢羅並用e 台文,全羅台文有khah困難,但是ma比華文khah-ho學. |
Henry 於 2003/05/09 11:22 | |
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Iong choan-lo khah tansun. Goa siuN hanlo hunchap siong kangkhou--Keyboard e koanhe. Bikoan siong choanlo ma khah hokhoaN--etang iong e Font ke chin choe. Hanji ti bangsiong tioh kana 標楷體, 細明體 niania, cha tai choe. :-)) |
暗光鳥 於 2003/05/11 00:38 | |
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Goa choe-kin khai-si toe si-kiaN, siat 1-e lo-ma-ji e BLOG (ai chng Taiwanese Package e ji-heng): http://lomaji.com/blog/ Pun-te m-bat thiaN koe Blog chit-hang mih, si 1-ui peng-siong-si Hoat-piau i-kian sit-chai pi am-liam kho-bun khah chhu-bi. |
Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/11 06:33 | |
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Takke ho: Lan chit-e bang-chan ki-jien si chutiuN Taioan-e chu-the-it-sit, takke leh po-bun e-si, si-m-si iong hoabun liau-au koh etang iong kati-e bugi siat 1-tau ? Anne m-na thu-hian Taioan si thoan-ket-e to-oan bun-hoat koh-ka, ma sinsoah liamsip sia bugi, kam-m-si chiaN-ho leh? Ng-bang au-pai cheng-hu-e hoat-lut beng-leng kah cheng-sit bun-su ma long etang u kok gi-chok-e bunji pan-pun. Takke ho: 大家好: |
Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/11 06:42 | |
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PhaiN-set, 突顯 eng-kai-si 『tut-hian』 |
Henry 於 2003/05/11 11:21 | |
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To 暗光鳥: Taioan HaisiaN tosia 暗光鳥 ti lomaji.com/blog e kian-i. |
暗光鳥 於 2003/05/11 15:53 | |
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TO Henry hiaN: Lou-lat chham-koan gun tau e blog. Goa hoat-kian blog siong toa e kong-leng si blog kap blog chi-kan khai-si kau-tam/tui-oe (iong trackback e kho-ki), koh blog khai-si thau-koe RSS e gi-hoat (syntax) thoan-po siau-sit. Bi-kok siong u koan-lek e elites (cheng-ti jin-but, kong-si teng-chan, cheng-ti jin/but/kong-si teng-chan) ma bo iong e-mail. ThiaN-kong ti ko-kho-ki san-giap e kong-si u-e teng-si e hiong oan-kang hoat e-mail, sim-chi kou-le oan-kang hoat tui bin-teng. M-koh phou-phian bo iong e-mail, sim-chi m-bat tian-nau e ki-pun su-iong. Sou-i e-mail hou Whitehouse e siu-tioh 1-tiuN chu-tong e kam-sia-ham; tong-jian George W. Bush pun-lang be khi chhap. Goa siuN, Whitehouse hit-peng na kam-kak hut-jian-kan bou-chiong gi-te/lun-tiam e e-mail u cheng-ka e chhu-se, te-1-soaN e lang e po khi bin-teng. M-koh bin-teng iu-goan m-si Bush, kek-ke si i e chou-li chi it. Chin-chit-pou kong, elites sim-chi bo gia-pit sia phoe. Chu-iau si kho 1-ki chhui kong-oe, ki-tha e lang khi ki-lok, siu-kai, hoat-piau, kai-soeh, gian-kiu, hoan-ek, pau-chong, siau-hoa, chip-heng, o-lo, hoan-tui! The Movers-and-Shakers. Goa siuN, e-mail kah ki-tha kho-ki kang-khoan, i e ke-tat (elitist? non-elitist?) toe si-kan, te-tiam e bo-kang. Ti Tai-oan, Bi-kok PC sng chin phou-phian, sou-i but-chit siong e-tang chi-oan i e toa-liong su-iau. Na ti East Timor, e-mail ai khi toa tou-chhi (it-poaN si siu-tou) chiah u-te chhoe. Chng-kha sim-chi bo tian-oe-soaN. Goa-e tong-oh si Bi-kok-lang. Goa siuN i ka e-mail e su-iau sak khi i-e logical conclusion, to-si kong ju lai ju che lang iong e-mail e si-chun, oan-choan bo-hoat-tou li-iong e hit-tin-lang to ju lai ju marginalized (phaiN-se, Ho-lo-oe e 邊緣化 m-chai an-choaN kong). M-koh tian-oe, tian-si ma si an-ne, kam m-si? Leng-goa to-si, i tui thoan-thong sia phe e ge-sut u i ko-jin e kam-cheng. I khoaN lan kui-e-lang e gia-pit sia phoe? Goa se-han cho koe, taN i-keng chi-chio 10-tang m-bat cho koe ah. E-mail phou-phian-hoa e 1-e kiat-ko to-si sia-phoe piN-cho tek-su e kou-thong hong-sek. Goa hiam-a ka kong, sia-phoe chiah si elitist! Chi-chio cha-ban si. Sia-phe e lang e pit-jiah (筆跡) tiaN-tioh khah sui, i tiaN-tioh u si-kan lian-sip sia-ji, u si-kan oh thak, kai2-thak8 pat-lang e pit-jiah. ki-tha lang koan-si thak gin-bou e piau-chun ji-heng (font). Calligraphy (sia-ji e ki-sut) ti Au-chiu cha to piN ge-sut, sia-phoe e ki-sut ma piN ge-sut. (TaN goa-e ge-sut kiam-chhai si elitist e leng-goa 1-chiong kong-hoat?) |
暗光鳥 於 2003/05/11 15:59 | |
Correction | |
Te-4-toaN: ...i e toa-liong su-iau... --> kai ...i e toa-liong su-IONG... Te-5-toaN: ...e-mail e su-iau... --> kai ...e-mail e su-iong... Te-6-toaN: I khoaN lan... --> kai Li khoaN lan... |
henry 於 2003/05/12 16:15 | |
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To Ham-Kong-Chiau, Email sng si khah bo chengsiak, soui pankong--e to khah boe suiong. Iuki si lau koaNliau, bo hoatto ngbang in. :-( Kisit goa siuN bo kong--e kah Elites ham khoki bo titchiap koanhe. Goa si beh kong lan Taioanlang itpoaN tiak to kah bo-ai kauthong. (耳語,八卦 si chin ai.) Na kong Elites, goa siuN Bikok siahoe e Elite kah Taioan--e siong bo u chittiam bo kang, tioh si, Taioan e Elites si chit-e chhengchho e kaikip, in chinchiaN bo suiau ham hui-Elites kauthong. ;-)
Inui SARS e khanthoa, it-si soah phai chiuN bang. Hoe liau ban, chhiaN goanliong. Henry |
暗光鳥 於 2003/05/12 22:41 | |
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Henry hiaN, To-sia hoe-eng. Bang-lou se-kai 24-tiam-cheng teh tin-tang, goa siuN, u su-iau chiah chham-u to ho, m-bian bian-kiong. (Goa ka-ti an-ne ka ka-ti kong.) 耳語 chi-iau u lang e sou-chai to u i e chun-chai, siaN-mih sia-hoe kiat-kou to kang-khoan. Iu-ui 耳語 si lang kap lang tiong-kan chhiau in-e se-lek (MICROPOWER) e hian-siong. 八卦 khah hai: tui-kiu 八卦 e sia-hoe e-sai kong si ut-chut e sia-hoe, cheng-sin siong bo cheng-siong. 耳語 e leng-goa 1-e chan-chhu: Ti China hong-siaN si 1-chiong te-ha mui-the. KoaN-hong mui-the bo lang sin-tau, sou-i u hong-siaN mui-the e toa khong-kan. Hong-siaN e-tang ian-to cheng-koan, m-koh ma e-tang in-khi bo pit-iau e jiau-loan. Hong-siaN bun-hoa si tui cheng-koan bo sin-sim e piau-hian. Li kong--e kauthong kiam-chhai si li-seng e tui-oe? Goa hoan-lo Tai-oan-lang e thoan-thong khah khiam tui-kiu su-sit e hong-hoat. Tibet e Put-kau u hoe-siuN kah hoe-siuN pian-lun e thoan-thong. Iu-thai-kau ma u rabbi pian-lun e thoan-thong. Tai-oan-lang phoaN-toan tai-chi e hong-hoat tau-te si siaN-khoan? Na-si hong-siaN bun-hoa, 1-e tiong-iau e in-sou si ju che lang siong-sin to ju cheng-khak. Koan-he Elites: Tai-oan e elites e kha-chhiu sng si khah chhou, in-ui an-ne to e-tang oan-cheng bok-phiau. Goa siuN, tai-khai ti khah bin-chu e sia-hoe, elites e kha-chhiu tioh khah iu3. Ti Tai-oan sim-chi koan-li kai-kip (elites e teng-gi??) chi-iau e-tang kong Hoa-gi, pun-sin to tit-tioh khong-che e 1-pou-hun tiau-kiaN. Ka-su li thiaN bo in teh kong siaN, li chu-jian m-si elites, sou-i eng-kai chiap-siu koan-li. Sou-i goa kam-kak empower bo-gi si tiong-iau e tai-chi. |
Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/13 11:12 | |
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SARS-e liu-heng u-kho-leng kai-pian Taioanlang-e 1-koa koan-si, goa lai-kong goa-e khoaN-hoat, chhiaN takke boN thiaN-khoaN-mai--e :) Kin-ku choan-ka kong, SARS si 口沫傳播, m-si khong-khi thoan-po, lan na etang phiat-bian kah pah-e-lang kin-ki-li-e chiap-chhiok to boe tit-tioh SARS. Choan-ka kian-gi khoaN-peN to seng iok-si-kan, mai toa peN-iN lang-kheh-lang khoh-khoh-a-tan, ke-thiN oe-tioh SARS e ki-hoe. Taioanlang ku-te khoaN-peN tioh-ai khoaN-lau-jiat, to-ui lang-che to lu ai khi, boe-su ti kheh-sio, chitma nakoh anne to tioh SARS lai hoat-sio. 根據專家 kong, SARS si 口沫傳播, m-si 空氣傳播, lan na etang 避免 kah pah-e-lang 近距離e 接觸 to boe 得tioh SARS. 專家建議看病 to 先約時間, mai toa 病院 lang-kheh-lang khoh-khoh-a-tan, ke-thiN oe-tioh SARS e 機會. Taioanlang ku-te 看病 tioh-ai khoaN-lau-jiat, to-ui lang-che to lu ai-khi, boe-su ti kheh-sio, chitma nakoh anne to gau tioh SARS lai hoat-sio. |
Henry 於 2003/05/14 15:53 | |
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Chan-hoaN-lai hiaN, Goa chaiiaN li gigian e toheng chhimko. Koh chhengkau chit e. Seng kong chit-e chenghong. U chittiuN chengchhai e engkang lau lo-lai nng chiong kilok, chithun si sun-bunji, ah chithun si Multimedia (u hiantiuN e iaNim kilok). Anne lan si beh himsiong to chithun leh? To chithun khah u ketat? Goa khoaN chitkoa thechhiong Taigibun--e chin kiongtiau bunji e tiongiau. Che goa tongjian bo hoattui. Mkoh in ko-chai kong, bunji pangcho sukho, soui, u bunji chiah e u bunhoa. In kong sia bunchiuN ai ko siuN im-tiau to enghiong sukho. Chitkhoan konghoat kam chengkhak? Nasi anne, lan ham lang konghoe e sichun kam long bo hoatto sukho? Nasi tengbin hit nng hun kilok, goa siuN engkai si Multimedia e kilok khah oancheng, khah u ketat chiah tioh. Sun-bunji kilok chisi khah siok, khah hongpian liuthong, soui si khah koucha e kilok hongsiak ji-i, kam msi? Theki chit-e bunte si inui goa kati u kamkak, hanjin tosi siuNkoe iong bunji sukho, tihsu bunhoa soah chha khi. Bunji si kengkoe thiusionghoa (abstraction). Koucha e hanji si u taipiau hiansit e hengchong (象形), aulai long bo a. Koethau iong hanji te sukho, tioh chha hiansit chin toa-be khi-a. Mchia hanjin e ti-siak kai chiamchiam to paihai khi, toeboe tioh sitai. Li khoaN goa anne kong u li bo? Henry |
Henry 於 2003/05/14 15:55 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Hah-hah-hah! Owl (Ham-kong-chiau) hiaN li kong tioh chitkoa chhubi e koan-liam. Goa kong 耳語 e sichun thaukhak si te siuN tioh Rumor e hiansiong, iuki si ti Taioan soanki e sichun. Tansi li thekhi chhiau MICROPOWER, soah hou goa liansiuN chinchoe. Soui che etang khoaN chhut lan Taioanlang tui mui-the ham chengfu bo sin-sim. Goa kam-kak kah li kautam chin chhubi. Kauthong si ai kau hou tuihong liaukai e thengto. Sou-i to msi chhinchhiuN 耳語,八卦. Nasi tiongkok-siak e chengkhoan, thongti Elites 受命於天, hui-Elites liaukai ah si bo liaukai long bo siaN iaukin. Che tioh si goa sou kong Taioan ah si itpoaN hanjin chengti e hian-siong. Tui-hoe kholeng ma bo kau liaukai e thengto. Ah nasi chengti-kai i-goa e Elites, tioh long si oh chengti-kai. (Taioan si chin chengtihoa e siahoe.) Elite engkai si kong ti bouchit hanggiap tekpiat u chheng-chiu, siu tioh siahoe e jinteng, soah hiang-su chitgoa tekkhoan. Kong hoa-gi etang sng siaNmih punsu? Ti Bikok Ivy League hakseng ai lau Fat-gi lai chiaiaN, tansi chichio, Fatbun tui thak fatlut--e sng chin iaukin. Hoagi-chok e tekkhoan sng si oaiko lai--e. Choe-au chhiaN mng, li iong XML e kamsiong siaNkhoan? Ho iong bo? Like it? Henry 5/13/03 |
Henry 於 2003/05/14 15:55 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Hah-hah-hah! Owl (Ham-kong-chiau) hiaN li kong tioh chitkoa chhubi e koan-liam. Goa kong 耳語 e sichun thaukhak si te siuN tioh Rumor e hiansiong, iuki si ti Taioan soanki e sichun. Tansi li thekhi chhiau MICROPOWER, soah hou goa liansiuN chinchoe. Soui che etang khoaN chhut lan Taioanlang tui mui-the ham chengfu bo sin-sim. Goa kam-kak kah li kautam chin chhubi. Kauthong si ai kau hou tuihong liaukai e thengto. Sou-i to msi chhinchhiuN 耳語,八卦. Nasi tiongkok-siak e chengkhoan, thongti Elites 受命於天, hui-Elites liaukai ah si bo liaukai long bo siaN iaukin. Che tioh si goa sou kong Taioan ah si itpoaN hanjin chengti e hian-siong. Tui-hoe kholeng ma bo kau liaukai e thengto. Ah nasi chengti-kai i-goa e Elites, tioh long si oh chengti-kai. (Taioan si chin chengtihoa e siahoe.) Elite engkai si kong ti bouchit hanggiap tekpiat u chheng-chiu, siu tioh siahoe e jinteng, soah hiang-su chitgoa tekkhoan. Kong hoa-gi etang sng siaNmih punsu? Ti Bikok Ivy League hakseng ai lau Fat-gi lai chiaiaN, tansi chichio, Fatbun tui thak fatlut--e sng chin iaukin. Hoagi-chok e tekkhoan sng si oaiko lai--e. Choe-au chhiaN mng, li iong XML e kamsiong siaNkhoan? Ho iong bo? Like it? Henry 5/13/03 |
GS 於 2003/05/14 17:15 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
eng-kai si 「chhui-am」msi 「chhui-kham」,inui chhui peng m si kham--tiau-e 。 |
Henry 於 2003/05/15 14:08 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
To: Chan-HoaN-Lai hiaN Pouchhiong goa-e cheng chit-tah, chiah si goa icheng hoe-eng pochoa e chit-phiN i-kian, chhiaN chham-ko, chikau: (Hit-chun iau te sia Tiongbun.) ======== 人都有把個別連成有意義的一整片 (pattern) 的本能。台語說:「講一個影,生一個仔」,就是這種現象。聽到某種聲響,或看到某一景象,我們會突然感到恐怖、歡喜、厭惡。。。等等,進而生出許多具體的聯想,這些聯想又會刺激我們更進一步思索、或情緒反應。「講故事」就是類似這樣的功夫。字、詞、句的個別單位,會激發我們自然的想像,把他們串連成有意義的故事。本來這是根源於人類很自然的對環境的反應,但過去的惡劣政治環境,強制你要說遙遠中國的,不能說本土台灣的,以致台灣人多少放棄了切身自然的反應,或不得不做扭曲反應,以致我們的言論市場十分畸形。短時期還難以恢復。 一般習慣上可能以為「故事」都是杜撰了,笑笑,不必認真。但這裡的「故事」(story) 比較廣義,像新聞記者的報導,也叫作故事,而歷史也是故事--是基於過去事實的故事。所以,雖然故事都難免杜撰的成分,但有時要很認真。新聞報導、歷史記載,都會因新事實的發掘,或新的思考,而印證或改寫。我們平常看報紙媒體,最好也不要只看一份。以往台灣的媒體或歷史都是由非台灣人觀點所主導,如果現在我們不開始說自己的故事,那就寫不成自己的歷史,或傳達對我們很緊要的資訊。就像最先前提到的,應該恐怖而作避險反應的時候,我們竟失去這種本能。例子就像在警訊十分清楚時,台商仍飛蛾撲火地投向中國。 「台灣正名」和說故事也大有關係。除了控制媒體和教育文化工作,中國人很惡毒地把台灣原有本土的地名、街道名換成中國地名、人名,就是陶醉在自己的故事裡,也強迫台灣人在生活行動上,不得不說中國的故事。當然這是脫離事實的虛幻故事,經不起驗證,必須改寫回來。「中華民國」更越來越是荒謬的錯誤名稱,所造成對台灣人,甚至全世界的誤導,所導致的傷害,難以估計。 前面說的是根據客觀事實的故事。杜撰性高的故事在個人生活領域上更是普遍,像小說、神話、詩歌、音樂、藝術創作、甚至每個人晚上作的夢等。也不要小看這些故事。古早的統治者,都是以這些做統治工具,像宗教神話(台灣則尚未走出神話統治,藝術創作也常有很明顯政治、說教的痕跡);在現代,這些則是屬個人自由的範圍,先進國家如美國則要求政教分離。 還有一種很實際而台灣人似乎自古就沒有的一種「故事」,那就是幽默。幽默是實際的,人和人之間溝通的潤滑劑。這和以往殖民高壓統治也應該有關係,因為統治者不希望人民溝通,只要接受指令,所以人和人的溝通技巧發展不出來。幽默常需要編即興而無害的短故事,也很需要想像力。以現在的資訊溝通頻繁的民主時代,幽默就更顯得有人性化上面的需要。 「說故事」聽來像是靠文字敘述,但時代已進入「多媒體」紀元,線性的文字敘述絕不是唯一「講故事」的方法,也講不完整(因為我們都知道,對物理世界的解釋,牛頓定律也早已不足)。台灣媒體不發達(只會”牛欄裡鬥牛母”,在台灣裡面囂張),正是因為統治者他們只靠政治力獨尊「國語」,而不思長進。長期以來,好像讀中國書的才有資格講話,難怪單調落伍,貧乏無比,說它是沙漠也不為過。進入多媒體時代,台灣母語有很好的競爭機會,因為「中國」不再是兩個方塊字就表達得了,我們就是走在「北平路」「綏遠街」,也會看看左右,聽聽四方,多媒體查證一番,不會相信那就是北平、或綏遠,而越發感到它的荒謬。 不必再聽別人的故事聽到”耳仔kap kap”,說我們自己的就對了! |
受難者 於 2003/05/15 18:56 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Goa chiu-si toa-ti 天津路,青島路...--lah,sit-chai si chin boe-song. siuN-long-bo ui-an-choaN, Taioan e ke-a-lou-mia toa-pou-hun , long si eng/iong TANG-PAK e te-mia lai ho-mia, m-chai che si-m-si in-ui u-lang u TANG-PAK-JIAT(熱), lan chu se-han chiu-si chin e-hiau poe-liam tang-pak sam-po(東北三寶), m-chai si-m-si ti lai-cheng, kau-iok...,siong-koan pou-mng lai-te u chin-che si tang-pak-lang?
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Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/15 21:01 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Henry hiaN 好: M是 goa gau , 是 li gau o-lo, nasi 叫 goa kong Taigi tioh boe 輪轉. Goa 最近 kah bo-eng , 而且 li 提出e 問題 goa iah m-bai 想過,所以暫時 bo-hoat-to 回答,請見諒. |
Henry 於 2003/05/16 13:52 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Chan-hoaN-lai hiaN kong, lan Taioanlang e inui SARS e kenggiam ji kaipian sengoa sipkoan, goan chin kithai. Kisit ui punsoh hoesiu untong khaisi, lan tioh ai u kakgou ah. Chujian e apliak ittit te kasi lan e sengoa sipkoan. ( SARS ma sng si chitchiong chujian sengthai e hoanphok.) Chisi bokchian khoaN lai, lan chitkoan iau chin phai koe. :-( ======= |
Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/16 15:15 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Koh-lai kong 奈米口罩e 迷思 na-bi chhui-am-e be-su 我 theh-tioh e-kha chia-e 資料,請 takke 看 ma-e, 28~30nm(10-9m) e 二氧化鈦顆粒表面 boah上 厚度 kanna 數埃(10-10m)e 磷灰石,ka-i 製作成漿狀後, 拿來浸泡不織布,chiah-koh 用 chit-e 不織布兩張 相疊製成 chhui-am。 功效:二氧化鈦 ho 光線照射後,ka 有機物 (細菌病毒是有機物)氧化分解 。 磷灰石 etang 吸收、集中細菌、有機物 kah 臭味 chia-e mih-kiaN。
Na ka 奈米chhui-am-e 不織布 khng ti 顯微鏡 e-kha 放大 來看,etang 看到不織布有 chioh-che 孔洞(孔徑260~1000nm),洞壁表面u ta-tioh chioh-che 光觸媒 Chhui-am 有效bo效, siang重要是過濾病毒 e 能力, kah 殺菌e 能力 bo直接關係. N95代表有95%e 過濾能力,奈米 chhui-am-e 過濾能力 hoan-set boe比外科chhui-am kha-ho. 再談奈米口罩的迷思 |
暗光鳥 於 2003/05/17 03:53 | |
Tai-gi-bun | |
Henry hiaN, 2~3-kang bo lai, siuN be-kau li kah Chhan-hoaN-lai hiaN u chiah sim-sek e tui-oe. U-eng e ke-siok lai thak lin e khoaN-hoat. Goa siuN beh seng chiam-tui li choe-kin the-khi e 1-tiam hoat-gian. Li an-ne kong: Goa khoaN chitkoa thechhiong Taigibun--e chin kiongtiau bunji e tiongiau. Che goa tongjian bo hoantui. Mkoh in ko-chai kong, bunji pangcho sukho, soui, u bunji chiah e u bunhoa. TaN bun-ji pang-chou su-kho sit-chai si 1-chiong chhim-jip sia-hoe e koan-liam. Goa kaN kong si 1-e MYTH, ji-chhiaN lai-chu bat-ji e sia-kun e phian-kian, i-su kong m-bat-ji, bo bun-ji kang-khu e lang khah han-ban su-kho. Tau-te bun-ji ju-ho pang-chou su-kho? Goa siuN, u chiah-e kho-leng: 1. Bat ji e lang u ki-hoe siu kau-iok, ah-si khah ho e kau-iok. Iu-ki ti thoan-thong e Han-ji bun-hoa-khoan, bat-ji teng-i u eng-si (閒時), u chai-tiau m-bian cheng-choh. Bat-ji e lang oa-kho m-bat-ji--e the-kiong chiah-mih. Bat-ji--e iong ti-sek kah ti-sek e koan-ui khi kau-oaN chiah-mih. Bat-ji e lang ma u hoat-tou i-chhi bat-ji. Kau-iok the-che sit-heng gi-bu kau-iok liau-au, li-lun siong gin-a ai siu 6-ni kau-iok (boe--a piN 9-ni). M-koh m-si sou-u e lang long u-hoat-tou i-chhi bat-ji e leng-lek, ah-si ke-siok ka-kiong bun-ji e theng-tou. Iu-ki Han-ji tek-piat oh oh, oh ki, oh sia. Sit-khi bat-ji leng-lek kah thau-nau bo ti-tai. Tian-to kah i e lang e sia-hoe ki-chhou kah bun-hoa u koan-he. Sou-i bat-ji m-na si oh-ji e ki-sut na-nia. Beh bat-ji, ji-chhiaN ke-siok bat-ji, ai u sia-hoe tiau-kiaN. Tui bat-ji e teng-gi sui si-tai kai-pian. Bat-ji e teng-gi it-ti gia-koan. Toe be-tioh e lang to-si m-bat-ji. 2. Su-kho e teng-gi siuN eh. Tham-tho hak-sut lun-bun tong-jian si teh su-kho. M-koh ti jiat-tai sim-na (rainforest) e goan-chu-bin beh seng-chun, ma tioh su-kho. Su-kho kiam-chhai si iong nau kai-koat bun-te. Su-kho kah hak-hau, kau-iok the-che bo it-teng e koan-he. Sou-i A-piN na put-heng 1-lang ti A-la-pek e soa-meh, to sng kong piN--a u 1-chiah 駱駝 hou i khia, i tai-khai ma be-tit seng-chun loh-khi. I bo hoat-tou ti hit-e khoan-keng kai-koat seng-chun e bun-te. Bun-ji pang-chou su-kho? Ah-si bun-ji pang-chou BOU-CHIONG e su-kho? U 1-koa su-kho hong-sek, bou-sek (bun-hoa), khah sek-hap bun-ji. Ma u kho-leng bat-ji e lang sit-khi ki-tha e su-kho bou-sek. Kho-pi kong, am-liam e ki-sut. Kou-cha-lang (kah hian-tai e 1-koa jin-lui) u hoat-tou ki lo-lo-tng e khau-thoan bun-hak, bo te-tou ma e-hiau ki lou. M-bat-ji e sia-hoe u in kai-koat bun-te e ki-sut. M-bat-ji e lang ma u in kai-koat bun-te e pan-hoat. (SiuN be-kau sia kah lo-lo-tng. Seng hioh-khun--1e!) |
暗光鳥 於 2003/05/17 04:03 | |
Re:Tai-gi-bun | |
In kong sia bunchiuN ai ko siuN im-tiau to enghiong sukho. Chitkhoan konghoat kam chengkhak? Nasi anne, lan ham lang konghoe e sichun kam long bo hoatto sukho? Nasi tengbin hit nng hun kilok, goa siuN engkai si Multimedia e kilok khah oancheng, khah u ketat chiah tioh. Sun-bunji kilok chisi khah siok, khah hongpian liuthong, soui si khah koucha e kilok hongsiak ji-i, kam msi? (Henry) Goa kong, han-ji bo sek e lang sia han-ji ma kam-kak han-ji eng-hiong su-kho. Gin-a thak kho-bun e si-chun, saN-put-gou-si ai chham-kho po pho mou fou, peng ji-tian, in-e su-kho tong-jian e siu eng-hiong. PoaN kong sng-chhio: Oat-lam e SARS i-keng khong-che ho-se. In iong-e LMJ pi Ho-lo-oe e POJ khah hok-chap, m-koh su-kho e theng-tou ka-na khah koan....? |
Henry 於 2003/05/17 10:50 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
To:AKC Chin tuho tichiah tutioh. Goa tuchiah ti li-e blog siuN beh hoe-eng soah sitbai. Error-message kong Administrator chaiiaN loh. Goa si beh kong: Chiau Bikok CDC, SARS e probable si bi suspected khah giamtiong e Case. Goa Taibun khoaN khah ban. Tosia hoe-eng. SARS peng-an, ChaiTam! Henry 5/17/03
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Henry 於 2003/05/17 10:53 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Koan-i Chan-hoaN-lai hiaN sou kong e Taioanlang sipkoan kaipian, goa ko pouchhiong 1-e. Lan e Han-bunhoa ai kong thongit lah, chokkun ionghap lah, siaNmih-siaNmih ionghap, 你濃我濃[你中有我,我中有你] lah. Beh tuihu SARS, chitkkoa koanliam choe ho si khah mai leh, kin kai-kai leh u khah ho. :-) Henry 5/17 |
Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/17 12:01 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
頂choa說 SARSe 流行 e改變台灣lang 看病e 慣習, 今a日 goa koh 來說 goa-e 預言, 請 takke koh bong-thiaN-koaN-mai--e, 贊成e lang 請拍pho-a, bo同意e lang 請 kati 轉台 : ) 古早e 船a 是單艙船, nasi loe tioh-ta (kho-te?)(觸礁) to 真容易沉船, 後來變巧 ehiau 製作多艙船, nakoh 船底破孔, 只要 ka 艙門關起來, 其他e 部分 tioh boe 入水, ke-kha 安全. Chitma 因為SARSe 關係, 台灣e 大病院一間一間破孔沉落去, 看 etang ho lan 覺醒 boe? au-pai 起病院 ai 起細間優質e, 分散 ti 社區內, anne chiah-boe 作伙沉落去. |
受難者 於 2003/05/17 22:37 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Teng-bin Chhan-hiaN-lai HiaN e kong-hoat.Hou goa u 1-chiong sek-sai e kam-kak. Na-chhin-chhiuN u tam-poh-a cheng-ti siong 7-khoai-lun(七塊論) e lian-siong2. Goa ka-ti khoaN-peN e kam-siong2 si : sim-li siong e an-ui khah toa. kho-leng u-e lang khoaN-peN ,peng-m-si i chin-chiaN sin-the u kang-khou . u-e kho-leng si cheng-sin/sim-li e in-sou nia-nia. U-e peN-iN i-peN goa (u-si) hoai5-gi5 chi-put-ko si 1-chiong e teng-su7 , koe-teng5 nia-nia. U-chit-kai goa khi toa-peN-iN khoaN-peN , kong-beh khoaN lai-kho , kiat-ko koa-ho e lang ka-goa in khi khoaN sim-chong-kho , kiat-ko i-seng kok kian-gi goa cho sim-chong e hip-siong he m-chai si siaN-mih oaN-ko e kiam-cha. chhut-lai liau-au i-seng tioh kong goa bo-siaN-mih bun-te. Goa thianN i-seng an-ne kong : goa bo-siaN-mih bun-te . Lang tioh ke chin song-khoai. peN tioh long ho-khi-a. M-koh goa it-tit siuN , ui-siaN-mih , hun-beng goa goan-lai si beh khoaN lai-kho , na-e pian-seng khoaN sim-chong-kho neh ? Sou-i i-liau e khoan-keng kho-leng pi i-liau e ki-sut ke-khah tiong-iau?
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暗光鳥 於 2003/05/18 09:02 | |
Re:Elites, XML | |
Henry hiaN, To-sia li chin-cheng koan-he han-bun-hoa Elites e hun-hiong, kah tui Elites teng-gi e kian-kai. Koan-he XML e kho-ki eng-iong (e.g. blog): Goa put-chi-a kah-i, u teh kho-lu ka ko-jin bang-cham e sin-bun-noa kai cho blog kho-ki. Ho ti bian kai-sia HTML, upload, teng-teng. Ti chia goa si ka blog tong-cho 1-khoan CMS (content management system) su-iong. Ma u lang ka chun-cho jit-chi (diary) iong (bun-chiuN khah bo kou-teng e kiat-kou, bo hun-lui, bo chhap u thok-chia ah bo). XML siong phaN7 e eng-iong si syndication. Bang-cham A e-tang siu-chip bang-cham B, C, F, Y...teng-teng e siong-sin siau-sit, hian-si ti A e bang-cham. Tong-jian, bang-cham F, Y ma e-sai siu-chip A kah C e sin-bun. Kho-pi kong, li ham li e peng-iu long u teh sia bun-chiuN (iong XML siong-koan e kho-ki). I sia bun-hoa gi-te, li sia anarco-syndicalism. I e bun-chiuN e phiau-te chu-tong chhut-hian ti li-e cham, li-e bun-chiuN e phiau-te ma chau khi i e cham. Ki 1-e sit-le: http://blog.elixus.org. To-chhiu-peng hit-noa long-si pat-ui siong-sin e bun-chiuN. Tong-jian, elixus be-su chhiau-kip chhi-tiuN, tak-hang choan-chai, phin-chit put-it. (Chong--si, chai lang hoaN-hi lah.) Goa tu-chiah chham-koan li-e cham, kam-kak beh iong blog chhu-li eng-kai e-sai-chit. Kho-leng u chio pou-hun tioh leng-goa chhu-li. Khah che u i-ha e kiat-kou: * Bun-chiuN-noa (siong sin -> ku): che si blog koan-si iong--e pai-pan (layout). Leng-goa, * ka-su li khi li-heng, chi-iau e-tang iong browser to thang hoat siau-sit. M-bian FTP. CMS bai2 ti: * Pai-pan khah u kui-lut: he-thong-hoa e kiat-ko. U kho-leng sou-u bun-chiuN e phiau-te long kang-e SIZE, bun-chiuN chu-the kang-e SIZE. Tan-si ma u kho-leng e-tang override he-thong-seng. Goa chhin-chhiuN teh cho SALES.... |
Henry 於 2003/05/18 16:27 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 -- Bunji ham sukho | |
To: AKC Soah li siong boe-a e sng-chhio kong khi. :-) Lan Taioan (hiak-chia si khi-tha Tang-a kokka) gin-a e sou-hak (Mathematics), ti kokche pisai khilai long ma theh thau mia. Mkoh chit-koa kokka e khohak/khoki kam pi e khoe Au-Bi? Khikoai leh! Kam msi kong: Sou-hak si khohak chi bu? Siong-se ka-i khoaN, Goan lai lan Taioanlang e souhak thaunau to long iong khi sengmia, hongsui, 紫微斗數, iakkeng [I-ching], pakkoa, chha-koupio (Stock), siau 大家樂, po miapai,...teng-teng. Goa siuN bunji tongjian kah sukho ukoan, mtaN pangchou, ma e honggai sukho. ChhinchhiuN goa chincheng thekhi--e lan chit-toa-tui e 北平路, 漢口路,...tengteng loumia, tioh hou lan e sukho hunloan khi. Bunji si hanjin e thongti kangku, kho si chin siok e kangku. Khokian Hanjin e thongti bunhoa sng hoattian kah chin iuhau [Efficient]. ;-) Li sou thekhi, tenggi khah khoa, e kai-koat seng-chun e bun-te e sukho, ma sng si 1-chiong HaiiuN bunhoa e tianhoan [Paradigm], ui Bikok e John Dewey khaisi. Sou-i, 文字遊戲 ham 數字遊戲 sng si Hanbunhoa e teksiak. Kisit bunji ham souji, chu-kou-i-lai ma long si thongti kangku, ittit kau hiantai e HaiiuN-bunhoa khi-lai, chiah phaphoa Tailiok-bunhoa e thongti MYTHs. Hanji pangchou sukho e chengheng u sichun bo hia beng-hian e chengti-seng. Lan khoaN bang-ga [Cartoon] e sichun, lan chu-iau e chhubi kam msi khoaN tou, tou tengbin e bunji si phoehap nia-nia. Mkoh Hanbunhoa e bang-ga tioh u 1-e teksiak, tioh si bunji e pitang chin toa, u-cichun toa ka mbian khoaN tou ma chai isu--Tou soa pian cho si ke chhut lai--e. KhoaN bang-ga e chhubi soah long bo liau-liau khi. Chit-chiong bang-ga beh u siau masi kataN sou-ui 華人 chhi-tiuN ji-i. Chit-khoan pang-chou ho mui-the pian chiaN chin boliau. Kin-a-jit Taioan e mui-the ia to si chit-khoan heng.
Henry 5/18/03 |
暗光鳥 於 2003/05/18 17:55 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Henry hiaN, Goa hoat-kian Tai-oan su-iong e gi-gian chin gau phong-hong (=distortion). Ki le: SARS --> 煞 (喪煞, 抹煞=抹殺,折煞,凶煞,煞有介事....) M-koh SARS goan-pun e i-su (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) soah am-kham tiau. Jit-gi po-choa iong sin-heng hi-giam (new pneumonia) biau-sia. Choan-se-kai khah che si kong SARS (S A R S). Ti Tai-oan, SARS e kho-hak beng-su piN-chiaN kah phaiN-un kap-cho-hoe. Bok-koai hiah che lang hoat-sio bih ti chhu--nih kiaN lang chai, pat-lang ma ka tong-cho si mou-sin-a. SARS -- ? --> 煞 ! |
受難者 於 2003/05/19 20:29 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
{Blog} goa ka-ti ka-i kio-cho 罔詻[bong2-lok8],網錄[bang2-liok8]. |
Henry 於 2003/05/19 20:31 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
AKC, Taioan mui-the si ka-taN 色腥煽. Goa chha-but-to long bo te khoaN--bo su-iau hia-e. Henry |
Henry 於 2003/05/20 11:00 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 --XML | |
To: AKC Siong sui--e si etang tah 1-piN Taibun, ah bang-lou tioh sui hoan-cho English ah-si Chinese e pan-pun hoat-piau chhut khi. Simchi: Choan-lo->Han-lo. Hah! Bang-lou-chok tui XML ki-thai chin ku loh. Tui bang-lou gigian e hoat-tian lai koan-chiau (Reflect) Taigi e hian-chong kah bilai, ma chin u i-su. Gigian lu u-lat (powerful), thongti-chia lu ka-i chhap-chhiu, m-chai lan Taioan e bang-lou-chok u chun-pi bo? Lan tioh ai kin lai siuN chit-e bun-te. Pi-ju (For example) kong, pian soaN-teng ji-tian, ah-si Encyclopedia chit-koan kha-toa-hang e khang-khoe tioh e hou chengfu chhiau-kong khi. Chong kong 1-ku: Goa siuN lan Tai-gi-bun e hoat-tian ma ai u 1-e XML e chhiak-liok. Henry 5/19 |
Henry 於 2003/05/20 11:11 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 -blog | |
Chin chhu-bi, NiuioK-sipo (New York Times) ka po Blog e bun-chiuN kheN-ti Fashion & Style pan--msi Technology. :-) Henry |
Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/20 16:14 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
請問 Henry hiaN: BLOG 到底是一種 etang 標台文調號e 新字形? iah-si 一種 etang key in Taigibun e 新軟體? het-chiah-si 一種新e 網頁編輯軟體? goa 實在 long m-bat, 請你 na有閒, ka takke 簡單紹介一下,lo-lak. |
Henry 於 2003/05/20 20:27 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Chhan-hoaN-lai hiaN, BLOG si chit-chiong bang-lou-chok e sin liu-heng. Tong-jian si inui sin-e kho-ki chhut-lai--tioh si XML. Goa kui-ni cheng u thiaN kuo BLOG. Chit-ma u lang cho nng-the chhut-lai, soah in-ki toa liu-heng. AKC hiaN tng iong liau chin ho-se. Kho-leng ho AKC hiaN lai siong-se kong kha tit. Henry |
暗光鳥 於 2003/05/21 08:06 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Chhan-hoaN-lai hiaN, Henry hiaN: Bang-lou kho-ki e liu-heng (si-kiaN) kah che-che ki-tha liu-heng kang-khoan, khai-si si sio-tin-lang khai-si. Kau-kah 1-e kham-cham soah thiau-chhut-lai toa liu-heng. (Che kam bo seng SARS ti lan Tai-oan?) Internet kah WWW khai-si si an-ne, kho-hak-ka teh iong. Au--lai ju che lai iong, chu-an-ne siang-giap-hoa. Blog i-keng ti--teh chin che ni. TaN ma u siang-giap-hoa, u 1-toa-tui dot.com. Choe-kin Eng-bun e mui-the (ki-chia) chiah hiong-hiong hoat-kian u BLOG chit-e mih! Goa si thiaN tong-oh kong blog chit-e mih (*), koh goa tui nng-the Tai-gi-hoa lioh-a u heng-chhu, sou-i toh liau-loh-khi cho. Ka-su Chhan-hoaN-lai hiaN li u beh chin-chit-pou liau-kai, goa kian-gi li khi http://weblog.holopedia.org khui 1-e khau-cho, tit-chiap chhi-iong. --- (*) Tong-oh jin-ui blog tu khai-si si hoan-the-che e cheng-ti phoe-phoaN. Goa si khoaN be-chhut lai. |
暗光鳥 於 2003/05/21 08:23 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Chin chhu-bi, NiuioK-sipo (New York Times) ka po Blog e bun-chiuN kheN-ti Fashion & Style pan--msi Technology. :-) Henry hiaN, Kho-ki toa-tong si-kiaN! Chhiu-ki-a khai-si oan-na si liu-heng (piau-si lin pe in-tau chin ho-giah), taN ti Tai-oan moa-si-ke, pi Bi-kok koh khah phou-phian! Chit-ma piN ai u video kha-me-la kong-leng e chhiu-ki chiah u-kau phaN? Tau-te liu-heng si siaN-hoe? Kam u lang, chou-chit, li-ek thoan-the teh sak? Liu-heng si ho ah bai, ah-si khoaN cheng-heng? Liu-heng kam e in-khi hoan-liu-heng? |
暗光鳥 於 2003/05/21 09:14 | |
Wiki kah blog | |
Wiki bok-cheng iau bo weblog (=blog) hiah-che lang chai: Whats a Wiki? (kho-sioh si Eng-bun--e). |
暗光鳥 於 2003/05/21 09:18 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Wiki kiong-tiau lang kah lang chi-kan e hap-chok. Lang kah lang hou-siong sin-jin. Blog kiong-tiau ko-jin sek-chhai. (Sou-i goa ka blog hoan cho goa.) Wiki + blog --> bok-cheng tng teh chhi-giam! |
Henry 於 2003/05/21 13:49 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
部落格(blog)? Ma u lang an-ne hoan (BLOG.schee.info) To AKC: (*) Tong-oh jin-ui blog tu khai-si si hoan-the-che e cheng-ti phoe-phoaN. Goa si khoaN be-chhut lai. Goa u sio-khoa liau-kai li-e tong-oh e kong-hoat. Tai-kai si Centralization vs. De-centralization e bun-the. Henry 5/21
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Henry 於 2003/05/21 16:24 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 -- siaN-mih si "BLOG" ... | |
To: Chhan-hoaN-lai hiaN Che si ui Yahoo! (Bikok-e) mng chhut lai-e, hoan cho Taibun: Blog si weblog e sok-sia. Weblog it-poaN si teng-gi cho: 1-e ko-jin ah-si hui-siong-giap bang-cham, iong jit-ki e heng-siak (sin-e pai teng-bin) hoat-piau, loe-iong pau-han kau bak-cham e lian-chiap ham tui in-e i-kian. 1-e Weblog si but-si te keng-sin, ji-chhiaN u tang-si ka lian-chiap hun-lui, chhin-chhiuN chengti, sin-bun, tian-nau kho-ki. U lang jin-ui te-it--e Weblog chhu-hian ti 1993-ni. Mkoh ittit kau 1997ni 12 goeh Weblog chit-e mia chiah iu Jorn Barger chhong-cho chhut lai. Ti 1998-ni, ka-taN chit-chhop-a Blogs chun-chai nia-nia. In tioh hou-siong lian-chiap. Hit-chun u chit-e chhut-mia e cham chia liat-chhut 23-e chun-chai e Blogs. Kau 1999-ni khah boe-a, mui-the chiah khai-si chu-i tioh Blog hian-siong. Mkoh si 1999 ni e bian-hui blog-chhong-cho nng-the ti-suu Blog chiaN-ui liu-heng e hiu-han oa-tang. Ti chit-koa nng-the chin-cheng, Weblog ai iong chhiu-kang ham chai-iaN HTML. Sin-e nng-the hou sou-u e lang long etang chin kan-tan to chhong-cho in-e Weblog. Blogger nng-the ti 1999-ni chhut-lai tioh ma-siang jiat-mng. Chit-e kan-tan e nng-the hou su-iong-chia etang cho kok-chiong in kah-i e Weblog. Kau 2000-ni chap goeh, Blogger e su-iong-chia 1-kang chhong-cho 300-e Blogs chhut-lai, Blogger e bok-lok (目錄) u liat chhiau-koe 5,500-e Blogs. Ti kang-ni 11 goeh, te 10,000-e Blogger Weblog chhut-si. Kau 2002-ni, Blogger u 750,000-e su-iong-chia. Chhin-chhiuN Blogger chit-chiong kang-ku chhut-lai ma kai-pian Weblog e loe-iong. Chu thau-a khai-si si the lian-chiap e cham cho ki-lok, tui sin-bun ham ki-tha hoe-te the-chhut i-kian, chit-chun Weblog soah ham Online Journal sio-chhiong. Blogger su kok-chiong i-kian kah lian-chiap chin-kin ti soaN-teng seng-tiong khi lai. Online journal chin-cha to chun-chai, mkoh Weblog e nng-the hou boe-hiau HTML e lang khah ho-se cho in-e Journal e khang-khoe. Weblogs ham Online journals si-siong cham-cham cho-hoe, in ma but-si ti loe-iong ham chok-hong teng-bin u sio thah. U lang kong Online journal si te ki ka-ti e tai-chi msi bang-lou. Weblog iau si chun-chai lai ki-lok WWW teng-bin sou-u hoat-seng e tai-chi. Henry 5/21/03 |
Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/21 18:51 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Henry hiaN & 暗光鳥兄: To-hia lin-e kai-soe, goa i-keng u jit-koa liau-kai,che BLOG boe-su-si 個人網頁 mkoh pat-e-lang etang tui bok-lok khoaN-tioh goa-e siang-sin-e hoat-piau-e i-kian. Tan goa u-eng, to chiau 暗光鳥兄e chi-si khi http://weblog.holopedia.org chhi-iong khoaN-mai-e. Chai-chhu kam-hia lng-ui-e kai-soe. |
暗光鳥 於 2003/05/22 04:30 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
To-sia Henry hiaN e hoan-ek, oh tioh chin che. Goa siuN, blog it-ti teh ian-pian. Hian-chhu-si e blog chi 1-chiong tek-su e nng-the (specialized software, chhin-chhiuN holopedia.org hit-tho), choan-bun siat-ke hou lang m-bian bat HTML ma thang hoat-piau. Sou-i hian-tai e blog nng-the si 1-chiong chhut-pan he-thong. Blog e seng-chit ai khoaN log e teng-gi. Log siong ki-pun e tan-ui e-sai kong si log entry. Mui-1-e entry siong ki-pun u jit-ki, bun-ji. Entry e pai-liat an-chiau jit-ki. Sou-i blog si 1-chiong tiam bang-iah cheng-li chu-liau e kiat-kou. Blog si beh hou lang khoaN--e. Bun-ji e loe-iong khai-si m-si ko-jin-tek e sek-chhai. Au--lai kah bang-lou jit-chi kiat-hap. (In-ui bang-lou bian ki3-mia5, jit-chi e-tang kong-khai.) Blog pun-sin bo-siaN-mih liau-put-khi. Liu-heng 1-toa-pou-hun si nng-the e kai-chin, hou che-che lang e-tang phah-ji, chhih chhut-pan, bang-iah to chu-tong keng-sin. Sui-jian goa e-hiau HTML/CSS, ASP/VB, teng-teng, goa iu-goan kah-i iong blog e nng-the. In-ui kan-tan, ho-iong. Blog e bun-hoa, goa iau teh liau-kai, sit-giam, kian-lip. |
Henry 於 2003/05/23 09:40 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 -- blog e teng-gi | |
Hi AKC, Tiam chiah bong to-lun ma sun-soah lian-sip Taibun, goa si kam-kak chin chhubi. Chin-cheng, goa ti BBCnews e bang-cham khoaN tioh chit-piN kong blog e bun-chiuN, kio-cho I blog, therefore I am. Che tu-ho khah li teng-gi blog cho goa e Idea chha-put-to. Mkoh goa ittit te siuN, chai-iaN si te cho hoat-piau e sim-keng ha, goa sui-jian si bian ki-mia, mkoh kam chin-chiaN e ka kui-e GOA kng khi bang-siong kong-khai? Goa iau ti te siuN... henry 5/23/03 |
Henry 於 2003/05/23 09:43 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
SARS sou kai-pian e seng-hoa sip-koan koh 1-hang. Sui tioh Taioan SARS gui-ki tang khi-lai, goa-e bang-iah e chham-koan lang-sou ma khah che khi-lai. Kiam-chhai ai lau-jiat e Taioanlang e soah lai hoat-hian iong sia goa (blog) lai thau-pang ka-ki, ma-si boe-bai, ji-chhia kho-leng khah kian-khong e oa-tang. Henry 5/23/03 |
受難者 於 2003/05/24 22:45 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
SARS in-khi chhui-am(khau-ta) e su-kiu-liong toa-cheng. In-ui goa choe-kin khi tou-si(su)-koan;kong-kiong-tiuN-hap liong pi iau-kiu koa chhui-phiN-am. Bo, boe-sai jip--khi.Sou-i goa tioh chiu-kin ti pian-li siong-tiam be 1-e 25 khou,thoaN-hun sek(炭粉式) e chhui-am. SARS in-khi e leng-goa 1-e hian-siong tioh si e-sai bian-hui niuN(niou) the-un. In-ui li na-si beh khi kong-kiong-tiuN-hap, na-si beh jip--khi,long-e pi iau-kiu seng niuN(niou) the2-un1. Choe-kin u 1-e kong-ko e mia-su5, kio-cho nai-bi(奈米) kng-chhiok-mui(光觸媒) khau-ta. Goa kam-kak u tam-poh-a hiau-gi(僥疑). In-ui NAI-BI ham KNG-CHHIOK-MUI kam e-sai tau-cho-hoe ? tau-cho-hoe kam e-sai hong-chi peN-tok ? Si-m-si in-ui NAI-BI choe-kin chin si-kiaN , sou-i chin-che siong-phin long eng nai-bi lai ho-mia. Leng-goa kng-chhiok-mui kam u hoat-tou su-iong ti khau-ta teng-koan ? |
受難者 於 2003/05/25 02:16 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Goa tu-chiah khi sin-chheng 1-e BLOG e khau-cho. In-ui goa si chit-e chhou-hak-chia , sou-i goa kong--e long si goa ka-ti bo seng-sek(成熟) e i-gian nia-nia. Hi-bang sng-koe Weblog(緯錄) e lang. E-sai ka3 goa. Chit khai-si, ai eng e-mail e khau-chau(戶口) chiah u hoat-tou lai sin-chheng BLOG e khau-chau. Che si chit-e hou7-teng7(戶碇) ,mng5-lam7(門檻). BLOG u 1-e hong-pian e sou-chai , chiu-si , na-si ka ka-ti e bit-ma(password) ki-tiau-tiau. m-koan ti siaN-mi sou-chai , long e-sai LOG-IN khi pian-chip ka-ti e bun-chiang. Na-chhin-chhiuN si su-jin e BLOG nng-the u 1-hang siong-chhoan(UPLOAD) e kong-leng. M-chai si-m-si ai upload chiah e-sai ka bun-chiang khan--chhut--lai? Goa khoaN holopedia eng e weblog nng-the sia liau boe-bai, u hoe-chhut pi-hun(備份) e kong-leng. Su-iong--khi--lai ma chin sun-chhui. M-koh HELP he-thong cho liau bo kai-ho. In-ui goa si-eng chhi(試) e hong-hoat lai liau-kai I e kong-leng(功能). BLOG kam-e siu tian-nau peN-tok lai eng-hiong? Goa siuN weblog e nng-the eng-kai u lai-pau(內包) hong-tok e kong-leng. Sou-i su-iong-chia m-bian hoan-lo chit-hang tai-chi.M-koh I theh-kiong e khong-kan ham bun-chiang e sou-liong, kam bo han-che ? In-ui goa si chhou-hak-chia, sou-i goa bo chin liau-kai, sim-chi lian weblog, BLOG e teng-ui ma bo chheng-chho. chhiaN sian-chin chai-iaN e-lang theh-kiong i-kian. |
Henry 於 2003/05/26 16:02 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Tu-chiah ti chit-e cham e thau-iah khoaN tioh 5/27 beh koaiN-cham e siaN-meng. Kho-sio, lan ai theng-chi ti chiah e tho-lun. Koan-i BLOG, goa kati ma chin-u heng-chhu. Bi-lai, Goa e ti goa-e cham (Taioan HaisiaN) thi-kiong chu-liau. Ma hibong kau si-chun tai-ke koh lai tholun. Chai-chian! Bye! To-sia Chhan-hoaN-lai hiaN. bye! |
過客 於 2003/05/26 23:43 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Goa kam kah,tai gi im piau kah bun li, eng kai chuh i chit tiam: tioh si, bok chian(目前) tai gi u kui-a-chong e hoat im(發音).In chhu, u-tan-si-a sit chai khoan bo.Li chhiaN, peng-siong-si iong tai gi cho soat beng(說明) e lian sip(練習) cheng khiam khoat(欠缺).Pih-luh-lai-kon, iong tai gi bo sin bun, sit-chai ho lang kam kak cheng khun lan(困難), siong toa e goan in(原因) chiu si - cheng chui hian tai(現代) su but(事物) e beng su(名詞) sit chai bo kau pho phian(普遍), hit-cha-si bo pho phian e teng gi.So i neh, lu ko e tan iu so teng gi (mai chin chhui chiong), siong sin e tan eng ui kan hoa(簡化) , su ti hak sip(學習) e tan pi kau kha iong i(容易). Goa si chho hak chia, chho gi na tek pet(特別) che, chhiaN to to chi kau. |
過客 於 2003/05/26 23:56 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
Keng go: >>Goa kam kah,tai gi im piau kah bun li, eng kai chuh i chit tiam:<< Ho ho(呵呵), te it hang to u nng e chho ji, chiaN chham. |
Chhan-hoaN-lai 於 2003/05/27 11:27 | |
Re:用Holo台語來發表意見e練習區 | |
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