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°Ú, sorry, ¤~´X¤Ñ¨S¹L, ¤S¦³´X¦ìªB¤ÍÁ¿¸Ü¤F. §Ú¬Oı±o, §Ú¤Ñ¥Í¤£¤Ó³ßÅw¨Ï¥Î¥û¤Ú¤Úªº»y®ðÁ¿¸Ü(©Î¼g¦r, whatever), it really doesnt make yourself gerater from any aspect. you know. §Ú¤]ı±o, §Ú¤@¶}©l´N¼gªº«Ü²M·¡, §Ú¥h¤F´X¤Ñ, ¨ì¤F¨º¨Ç¦a¤è, ¥H¤Î¥h¨ºÃ䪺¥Øªº. §ÚªºÆ[ÂI is based on these, so you dont need to shout if you dont agree with me. you earned yourself nothing. I mean it. ¦pªG§A̤£¯à¥Î«ÈÆ[ªº mind ¨Ó¬Ý«Ý§O¤Hªº·N¨£, §A̹ê¦b¤£¯à claim §A̬O¥Í¬¡¦b¥Á¥DªºªÀ·|¸Ì. I noticed some of you didnt even read me words carefully before you start writing your reply with madness; it realy upset me. I thought they do know something about democracy. Anyway, I dont think I want to spend a more minute here. But in case you would like to know my opinion, Ill say, please try to understand what others want to say, and express yourself not by giving others hard time. Whatever you believe or whatever you want to believe, China wont change because what you guys here expect. Accept the truth that hundres of billions of dollars has been poured into China and consider what can be changed and how dramatically. Or at least, you smart guys, dont fool yourself or anyone else by telling them China is still the country you used to know decades ago. it does you no good. |
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Oh, by the way, before I leave and call it a day, §ÚÁÙ¬O±j½Õ¤@¤U, ¥H§Ú¦b¤W®ü©Ò¬Ý¨£ªº¨Æ¹ê, ¦A¹ï·Ó§Ú©M¨ä¥L±`¥h¤¤°ê¥X®tªº¦P¨Æªº¦@¦P¬Ýªk, ¤W®üªº§ïÅܯuªº«Ü¤j, Å¥»¡¥]¬A¤º³°«°¥«¦p«¼y, ªZº~, ¥_¨Ê, «¢º¸Àص¥µ¥, §ïÅܤ]¤£¤p. But since I told ya there is balloon there in Shanghai, I noticed that, why dont you stop reminding me this part. it really makes me feel personal. Now Im zipped, I dont think you will see me here for quite a while. Im sure all well frogs here will have a happy winter season without me. But whether youre happy or not, just keep your eyes open and dont let hate blind you. Good luck. |
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Its me again, not trying to play clown. I found I didnt notice ras replay so I feel I need to at least express myself a bit clearly before I leave. Some of you may think I was here to tell you how welthy China is. Absolutely wrong! Ive been to China about 8 years ago. All what I said here is just telling you China is different from what it was 8 years ago or 10s or 20s years ago. Great observation huh? I didnt post for any particular purpose actually, but sometimes I saw people that tend to discredit China in some ridiculous way here. I dont care how you like or dislike China, but please let people know what China really is, no less, no more. Thats all. |
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