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®ÇÆ[ªÌ2 >>¥i¬O«oµL°÷®æªº¼Wµ{¼u»P¤§·f°t¢w³Ì¤j¦³®Ä®gµ{¥u¦³¥@¬É¨ä¥L¦U°ê¦PÃþ²£«~¤C¦¨¤ >>ªº¡§³Ì¨Î³]p¡¨¼Wµ{¬¶ ¤£ª¾¬O§_¥iÂÇ¥Ñ M109A6ªº¤Þ¶i ®³¨ì¦X¾Aªº¼Wµ{¼u ¬Æ¦Ü·Q¿ìªk¥é»s WILLIAM SK2 : »Õ¤U¹ï©óÁÊ©ó«n«DÂí¼Éĵ¹î¥Î¤§ªøÃ@¦s¦³¸·¼{........... ªº½T!¨ººØ¶ì®Æ»s¦¨²ÓªøªºÃ@¤l,¤ñ°_¤@¯ë¤ì½è¤Î¾ó½¦µuĵ´Ò,·|¹ï¤HÅé©Î¾ãÓªÀ·| ³y¦¨§ó¤jªº¶Ë®`!¨ººØ¸Ë³Æ¥i¥H»¡¬O«n«D¹ê¬IºØ±Ú¹jÂ÷¬Fµ¦¤U¹ï¥I¶Â¤H¤§²£ª«! ²¦³º»O.´´¤§¶¡,¦b©óªÀ·|ªºµ²ºc¤W¦³«Ü¤jªº®t²§,¤£¨£±o¨CºØ¸Ë³Æ¬Ò¾A¥Î©ó»OÆW! ÁöµMĵ¬F¸p±ÄÁʤ@¨Ç«n«DÂí¼É¸Ë³Æ,¦ý°t¸p³æ¦ì¤]±q¥¼¦b¥ô¦ó¸s²³¨Æ¥ó¤¤¨Ï¥Î,©Ò¥H ¤~¤©¥H¶¢¸mª½¨ì³ø¼o! DH Hi guys.... ¯¸¦b³o¸Ì¬Ý¤F¦U¦ìªº·N¨£,¤]·Q»¡¤@»¡§Ú¬Ý¿Ë¨©Ò¨£¨ìªº±¡§Î: toga: ¤pªô William DH William Just on the subject of the sjambok (the whip that SK2 was mentioning), the standard police issue sjamboks was not merely rubber whips. These are oumped with lead inside so when the people were whipped it would have caused real damage. I cringed at the time when I heard this kind of equipment was sold to the Taiwanese police force. |
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WILLIAM sjambok¶ì®Æ»s¦¨¤§ªøÃ@,±Í¤H¦b¬ù³ù¨£ÃѹL security ÅX»°¼Æ¦W¶Â¤H¹C¥Á®É©Òµo¥X¨ººØ«ÂÄà·P¤Î¶Ë®`¤O,«K«éµM¤j®©¬°¦ó»OÆWĵ¤è³B²z¸s²³¹B°Ê®É,¤£´±¶TµM¨Ï¥Î¦Ó¤@ª½°ï©ñ©ó®w©Ðªºì¦]¤F! ³oÃþÂí¼É¸Ë³Æ(¶ì½¦³z©ú¬ÞµP.sjambok),¬O±Í¤H¦b 1988 ¦~¶}©l±µÄ²Äµ°È«á ±q¿¤Äµ§½¤§®w©Ð¤¤»{ÃѨåÑÁ`°È¸Ñ»¡¨Ó·½,¦Ü©óªýµ´¥Î¨®©ì¦¡³DÅ¢ÅKµ·ºô,´N©ñ¦bĵ§½°¼ªù®Ç ¨C³{Âí¼É¾Þºt,§Y¥Ñ GMC ¤p³f¨®©ì¦²©ì¨®¤W¤À¯¸¥ª¥k¨â¦Wûĵt³d¦æ¶i¶¡¬I©ñÅKµ·ºô, ¦Ó¦^¦¬®É«h¨â¦Wûĵ«ùÅK¤Ä©Ô¦^!¾Ú»¡¥Î©óªýµ´´þ¨Æ¸s²³ªº½T«ÜºÞ¥Î! ¤p¤ò ¨ä¹ê¨â°êªº¥æ¬yÁÙ¬O¤£Â_ªº.¤p§Ì·í§L®É(¤¤»¦~«e)ÁÙ´¿¬Ý¹L«n«D¥q¥O¯Åªº±N»â¨ì¤p§Ìªº³æ¦ì°ÑÆ[,ÁÙ¤£¤p¤ß¬Ý¨£¤F³°xÁ`¥q¥O³¦P,¼H¼H!(³æ¦ì¦WºÙ¤£¥i»¡¤£¥i»¡!) ¤pº§À ¬Ý¨ìDH¥Sªº¨£»D¹ê¦b¥O¤HÃø¹L ©Î³\À³¸Ó¬£¨Ç¦æ¸ìÅU°Ý¥h±Ð¾É³o¨Ç«n«D¤½¥q»P¥xÆW§@¥Í·N ª½ª@¾÷¬O¦³¨Ç¥i±¤¡M¤j¯¥´N«Ü¸Ø±i¡MÁöµM¥~®qªº¤j¯¥ÁÙ¥iÅõºÈ¼Ä¤H«°¥« ¦ý´N®gµ{¡M¤ÏÀ³³t«×¡M®Ú¥»¤£¯à»P¹ï©¤¬Û¤ñ ¤W¦¸¬Ý¤F¬Y³¡¤G¾Ô¤ù¡M¸Ì±ªº105MM¥xÆWÁÙ¦b¥Î¡M´N¥O¤H¦R¦å WILLIAM ¤¤»¦~«eÁÙ´¿¬Ý¹L«n«D¥q¥O¯Åªº±N»â¨ì¤p§Ìªº³æ¦ì°ÑÆ[........ > »O´´¤§¶¡ªº¨¹¥æÃö«Y©ó 1998 ¦~¤¸¤ë¤¤¤î,²{»P¤j³°¥¿¥´ªº¤õ¼ö......... |
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DH William: ¹ê»Ú¤W«n«D©M¤¤°ê¤]¨S¥´±o¨º»ò¤õ¼ö°Õ ¥u¦³³¡ªø¯Åªº·|¥æ´«¤@¨ÇµLÃöºònªº¤å¥ó ¦bDenel¸Ì¤¤°ê¸Ñ©ñx´X¥G¬Opersona non grata ·Q¨Ó³o¸Ìn°½§Þ³N ³£³QÅF¥X¥h¤F ³o¤è±¤j¥i©ñ¤ß :=) DH William ¥xÆW©M«n«Dªºx¨Æ¥æ¬y....¶â...ÁÙ¬O¦³ªº Rooikat ¦pªG¥xÆWn¶R«n«D¨S¦³²z¥Ñ¤£½æ...... ^___* WILLIAM ¦Ü©ó»O±ý±ÄÁÊ«n«D¤§ Rooikat §ðÀ»ª½ª@¾÷,¦³µÛ¬°«P¨Ï¬ü°ê¥X°â AH-1W ²´Ãè³D ©Ò¨Ï¥Xªº¨±°j¾Ô³N¤§¤@»¡........... ps: DH ¥S jj ºë±m! ½Ð±Ð¹p¾^2000¬O§_·|¥[³t¼Wµ{¯¥ªº¸¨¥î? |
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DH William: Back in the 199x the official version given by the Taiwanese military in rejecting (or shall I say ignoring) the proposal by Denel was that Rooikat Attack Helicopter did not have the necessary interface built-in for the Hellfire missles. Bear in mind that US only lifted arms embargo against S Africa as late as 1998, and in the early 1990s US refused to release the necessary technology for the manufacturer of the Rooikat to integrate the interfaces to the Hellfire Missiles. Despite this, I personally believed that it was not wise for the TW military to spurn the offer made by Denel. As you know that currently Rooikat is marketed as a heavy attack gunship in conjuction with Tiger Eurocopter and therefore its potential competitor is the AH-64 Apache. I think Rooikat is a competent attack gunship but unfortunately with the economic recession worldwide I do not think it will find any other buyer than SANDF. I try to type Hanji wherever I can but it is not always possible..... :=) WILLIAM DH ¥S: ¦hÁ»դU¸Ñ»¡! ©Ò¥H·íªì»OÆW³°xn¯à¤U©w¨M¤ß¬°²`´ÓªZ¾¹¦Û»s¬ãµoªº¯à¤O¦Ó¦h§@¼sªx©Êªº¦X§@ ¬Û«H¦Ü¤µ¤w¦³¬Û·í©Êªº¦¨ªG±Í¤H¹ï©ó RSA ¦UºØ½ü«¬¨®½ø¤§µo®i¤£¿ò¾l¤O²`·P¨ØªA ´N¥H»OÆW¤§¹D¸ô¦a§Î¦Ó¨¥¤×¨äªY½à G6 155mm ½ü«¬¦Û¨«¯¥¨ä±j¤jªº¤õ¤O¤Î¾÷°Ê©Ê ¦AªÌ²{¤]¤£¥²¬°¦p¦ó¿ï¾Ü¾A¥Î¤§½ü«¬¸Ë¥Ò¹B§L¨®¦Û»s(CM31)©Î¥~ÁÊ(¹¤H³½III)Á|´Ñ¤£©w¡@ ¤pªô Ãþ¦üRT2000·sªº¦hºÞ¤õ½b¨®¥X²{À³¸ÓÁÙ¤£¦Ü©óÅý¼Wµ{¬¶§¹¥þ®ø¥¢ ²¦³º»ô®g¤@¦¸¤õ½b®£©È¤£«K©y ¦pªGn¶i¦æÂIªº¥´À» §Q¥Î¨ìRT2000¤Wºë±K¾É¤Þªº¤õ½b¦ü¥G¤]¤Ó¶Q¤F ¤£¹L«ô¦Û¨«¤Æ¤§½ç ¼Wµ{¬¶²{¦b¥i¥Hµo®i¥X³ÍÂÄ°Õ G6°Õ³oºØ¦Û¨«¬¶¨® ÁÙ¦³«Ü¤jªº¶i¨B¸ò¾Ô³NªÅ¶¡ BWS ÁÙ¦³ ¤@¦¸®gÀ»«á À¿¬¶ºÞªº®É¶¡·|»·§C©ó«O¾i¤õ½b¨®¤W©Ò¯d¤Uªº·Ïµvªº®É¶¡ ®gÀ»¹L«áªº¤õ½b·Ï¹Ð»G»k©Ê°ª ¦hºÞ¤õ½b¨®ªº©³½L.¨®¨µ¥µ¥ªº«Ü®e©öÄûk,¥[¤W¥xÆW°ª·Ã«× «ôRT2000ªº¤õ½b¼u½c¼Ò²Õ¤Æ³]p ¨Ï¥¦¤£¹³¤u¤»¥´§¹±o²Ó¤ßªº¥hÀ¿¨º¤@°ïªº¤õ½b¾ÉºÞ |
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jj ¦hÁ¦U¦ì¸Ñ»¡, ¥H«e§Ú³o¤p¨B§L«Ü¸r¼}¾Ô¨®³¡¶¤ªº©Ô·, ¼K! ¿T¦º§A! toga ²ö¥d¥ËIV«¬MBTªºªA§Ð®Éµ{«Ü¥i¯à³Q±À¿ð¡A¦]¬°¼w°ê¥Ø«e¦©©ã¦í¨ä°Ê¤O¨t²Î¡A1500¤Ç°¨¤O¯ÅªºGD833®ã°Ê¤Oªo¤ÞÀº¤£ªÖ©ñ¦æ¡A¥H¥Ü¹ï¥H¦â¦C¬F©²»Px¶¤ªñ¨Ó¦b¤Ú°Ç´µ©Zªº¤@³s¦ê·¥´c«D¹D¤§Á|ªºÄY«¤£º¡....... ²ö¥d¥ËIV«¬MBT¬O¥Ø«e¥þ²y³Ì¬°¥ý¶iªº¥D¤O¾Ô¨®¤§¤@¡A¨ä쥻¹w©w¦b©ú¦~¥¿¦¡¤W½u¶q²£¡A¨Ì·Ó¥H¦â¦C©ó99¦~¦V¼w°ê±ÄÁʪº°Ê¤O®M¥ó¼Æ¶q¨Ó¬Ý¡A¨äªì¨B¹w©w¶q²£·í¤¶©ó300~400½ø¤§¶¡¡C ¡]¹L¥h¤G¤Q¦h¦~¥H¨Ó¡A¥H¦â¦C³°xªº¦U¦¡¥D¤O¾Ô¨®§¡±Ä¥Î¬ü»sAVDS-1790¨t¦C®ãªo¤ÞÀº¬°°Ê¤O¨Ó·½¡A¦p¤µ²ö¥d¥ËIV«¬º«×±ó¬ü´N¼w¡A«K¹J¤W³oµ¥¸¾÷¡A¤£ª¾¦Ñ¥H¬O§_¦³¨Ç®¬¤£·íªì¡H¡^ JERUSALEM - Israel is quietly trying to convince Germany to lift an intentional delay in the shipment of vital parts for its Merkava IV tank program, defense officials said yesterday. Germany has delayed delivery of parts needed for the engine and transmission, and other components that were to arrive here months ago according to the terms of signed contracts, defense officials said. No official reason has been given for the delay of the performance of the commercial contract. Defense officials speculated the delay is due to German governmental displeasure over IDF operations in the territories and the use of Merkava tanks against the Palestinians. That is reasonable to believe, said Defense Ministry spokeswoman Rahel Nadek-Ashkenazi. We can confirm there is a delay in giving export licenses from Germany for various components [to be supplied] according to signed agreements. In the past month, high-level talks have taken place to try to lift the delay, which constitutes an unofficial embargo, defense officials said. Defense and Foreign Ministry officials have met with their German counterparts. Defense Ministry Director-General Amos Yaron even raised the matter with German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer during his visit here last month. Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer wrote to Fischer regarding the matter. Nadek-Ashkenazi said Israel has also made overtures to the Chancellors Office to remedy the problem. Defense officials stated that they have yet to delve into the legal implications of the German action for the commerical agreement or Israels free trade agreement with the EU and are concentrating their current efforts on the diplomatic front. According to industry officials, the German Trade Ministry stopped issuing export licenses for the parts three months ago. On the eve of Holocaust Memorial Day defense officials declined to comment on the moral implications of Germanys unofficial decision to place an informal embargo on defense exports to Israel. They did venture that the current policy is incongruous with the strong defense ties between Germany and Israel. Over the past decade, Germany donated two sophisticated diesel submarines to the navy and military and intelligence relations are very close. The Merkava IV is due to come off the assembly line next year and is considered one of the most advanced tanks in the world. It is to be powered by a GD 883 engine. Some 400 of them were purchased in 1999 for $265 million. Nadek-Ashkenazi said the delay in delivery of the Merkava IV parts would have no ramifications on IDF operations in the territories or elsewhere. YORK_HU ¦³ÓºÃ°Ý·Q½Ð±Ð¤@¤U WW2¼wx´¿¸g§Q¥Î¾Ô¨®©³½L¡A¤W±·f¸ü¤@ªù¤õ¯¥¡A°£©Z§J¨®¥~¥t»s¦¨¤TºØ¤£¦PºØÃþªº¸Ë¥Ò¨®½ø:¾Ô¨®ÅX³v¨®(©ÎºÙ¤Ï¾Ô¨®¦Û¨«¯¥ Panzerjaeger¡A ¬Û·í©ó^¤å Tank Destroyer )¡BÅX³v¾Ô¨®¡] Jagdpanzer¡A¬Û·í©ó^¤å Tank Hunter ¡^¥H¤Î¬ðÀ»¯¥¡] Sturmgeschuetz¡A ¬Û·í©ó^¤å Assault Gun¡A²¼g¬° StuG ¡^¡C ra ¾Ô³N¤W¡A¬ðÀ»¬¶¬O¥Î©ó¤ä´©¨B§L§@¾Ôªº¸Ë¥Ò¨®½ø¡AÃþ¦üĬx¹ï¦Û¦æ¤õ¯¥ªº¬É©w,¨º麽¥]¬A¦Û¨«¨B§L¬¶³oºØµo®gºh¼u爲¥Dªº¤õ¯¥¦b内¬Û·í¤@³¡¤À¤£¾A¦X°õ¦æ¤Ï¸Ë¥Ò§@¾Ôªº¸Ë¥Ò¨®½ø¤]¥i¥Hµø爲¬ðÀ»¬¶¡A¨Ò¦p¦w¸Ë¦Ý¬¶ªº¬ðÀ»ªê¡]380mm)©M¦Çºµ¡A¦ý¬O¬Y¨Ç±¡ªp¤U¡A¨Ò¦pxÄÝ¿W¥ß«¸Ë¥ÒÀç¤]°tÄݦ³¬Û·í¼Æ¶qªº¬ðÀ»¬¶¦ñÀH««¬¾Ô¨®¬ðÀ»¡A°õ¦æ¤Ï¨B§L¤ä´©¥ô°È¡FJagdpanzer¬O±Mªù³]p¨Ã°õ¦æ¹ï§Ü¼Ä¥D¤O©ÎªÌ««¬¾Ô¨®ªº¸Ë¥Ò¨®½ø¡A¨Ò¦pµá}«n,Ây°\©M±jÀ»ªê(128mm)³£ÄÝ©ó³oÓºØÃþ;¦Ü©ó²Ä¤@ºØ,´N¤£²M·¡¤F,¬Ý¦r±ªº·N«ä,¦ü¥G¬O«ü¦UºØÀ³«æ§ï¸Ë¤Ï¸Ë¥Ò¨®½øÃþ¦ü¶I¹«³o¼Ëªº»´«¬§ï¸Ë¨® |
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