http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/fighter/J-10_1006.jpg

這絕對假不了，是真的！機首序號看不清楚！

The number is 1006

I dont know if its real or not, I use the ACD See Trail version an enlarge it many times, and seem no cut and paste can be found

看不到......

check out here

http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/fighter/J-10_1006.jpg

那就是J-10的模樣 ?

C_C 天啊 ! ! ......

隱形的可真徹底耶

^^

整體造型與上次FLAK文章的那張近似
但前翼與主翼配置有點怪﹐只有X-31才有這種方式
此外﹐1006不像一般5碼編號
還在研究中

這組照片和在天空飛的那幾張都蠻真的 而且構型一樣

最怪的是機身和引擎的接口 看起來引擎跟機身不是很相配
好像小腳穿大鞋一樣 是有向量噴嘴 還是後來才改的
整體看起來比幼獅大 形狀又類似
後面的腹翼 這角度看起來像一個小水平尾翼

樓上的兩位老兄

請問您們是有陰陽眼還是天眼通 ?

怎麼我什麼都看不到 ?

C_C ? ? ? ? ? ? ......

把這個打下去就看得到了
http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/fighter/J-10_1006.jpg

That nose....is that not tooo short?
if this photo is fake, that guy who made it must be a master

這張照片與以前全防刊的那張的構形類似
http://aircraftstories.free.fr/mono/j10/13.jpg
不過其塗裝與下圖有點巧合處
http://www.multimania.com/airmil/rafale.jpg
頂樓這張的塗裝與下圖有點類似﹐但不同
http://www.avweb.com/graphics/planemil/rafale.jpg

如果頂樓這張是偽造﹐除了高超的PHOTOSHOP技術外﹐就是用下面這個方式
http://www.flyandfight.com/images/12in%20Figs/rafale.jpg

其實﹐J-10也差不多該出來了﹐再等一下吧

剛才在全防看了一下toga兄的文章
個人認為﹐那個紅色的飛彈是PL-8而非PL-7
http://www.concentric.net/~Jetfight/missiles/PL-8e.jpg
與巨蟒3同等級的AAM

根據個人分析﹐該飛機的長度為15.2~15.5m﹐頂多16m﹐與J-7大小接近﹐比F-16略
長

這應是原型機或預產型機吧！

看起來怪怪的,駕駛艙裡飛行員感覺很小,駕駛艙玻璃罩也很小

Since he should be wearing a flying helmet, we may feel that his head was small in the photo.

>>個人認為﹐那個紅色的飛彈是PL-8而非PL-7

與巨蟒3同等級的AAM

A:同意版主的觀察!事實上與PL-8是現役殲八的標準配備
可以說根本就是仿巨蟒3

PL-8 should be license production of Python 3

This is for comparison to earlier photos

The source is: http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/j10-combo6.jpg

怎麼看起來很大???
若以座艙內飛行員身高比例來判斷飛機機長度
似乎有30多公尺......... (bigger than Su-27?)

IDF SHOT DOWN IT !!!!!!

SAM
若長度30m，則接近一架單走道客機的長度，不合理吧！

The head of the pilot may looks small because he is wearing a white helmet. which is the same color as the background, that make us think that the plane is really big.

To 軍校生: dont make non-sense judgement, and your tense is wrong.

TO SK2 兄:
由垂直尾翼後側的外型與角度,右側中不含的五張圖片似乎包括二型機種!

外型不錯喔 哈哈

Frank-2000 That phot is a F-7MG prototype with a J-10

SAM兄
小弟量過﹐差不多是15米長
算是合理的長度

and, is that engine a TVC engine or what? I cant judge it from the photo...but seems like

Hi SK2 :
Thank you! But that photo cant show the point.

To JP-4:
Thanks for your helping.

若長度30m，則接近一架單走道客機的長度，不合理吧！

當然不合理...... 只是感覺座艙很小 (第一張照片)

敝人倒是覺得座艙與機身比例剛好！

OK!!

WHERES THE IRST SYS?

Simple, NO (at least cannot be seen)

BUT THE THING IS IF IT IS AN PRE-PRODUCTION J-10, THE IRST SHOULD BE INSTALLED IN ORDER TO TEST THE SYSTEM. (COZ A LOT OF REPORT SAYS THAT J-10 MUST HAVE A STANDARD IRST SYSTEM, AND IT MAY BE BASED ON RUSSIAS SYSTEM)
RUSSIAS IRST SYSTEM IN FIGHTERS ARE PLACED IN FRONT OF THE WINDSCREEN IN ORDER TO OBTAIN MAXIMUM VIEW. BUT J-10 DOESNT HAVE IT INSTALLED. SO I JUST WONDER WHERE IS IT

The IRST was not being installed in the photo, maybe because of several reasons:

1. Is it really necessary?
2. Can the pilots manage to use several systems? Since the units which will receive J-10 are probably convert from the J-7 and even J-6 units, they need to learn alot in order to fly the new plane, including the FBW, advance radar, and modern avnoices.
3. Maybe the plane can use the missile as the IR system, just like the French Mirage 2000

And the installation of IRST is rumor only, no one know the whole thing at least in this stage, no matter radar, IRST, FBW, etc, just lets see when the PLA will provide us the data.

The reason why I think the IRST system is on J-10 is because it is proven to be useful in ACM, and thats why I dont think PLAF would not install IRST.
Maybe the phototype is still testing avionics. So it doesnt contain the IRST,
Anyway the chance of J-10 having an IRST is very high.
Missle as IR seeker?? Well possible, but I dont know whether PL-8, PL-9 or R-73 has this ability. (I should read more articles first!! ^_^)

But as I have said before, its a big question of will the PLAAF fighter pilots can learn so much things at once, since the pilots that will fly the J-10 are from the J-6 and J-7, which is very easy to fly when compare with the J-10. They need to learn computer, how to see HUD, HMD, radar(for some J-6 pilots), FBW, etc. One less thing is one less weight and one lessburden to the pilot.

如果是那一張側面圖，IRST從那個角度是有可能被遮住看不到的。

殲擊十型戰機會裝設IRST？

THIS MIGHT BE POSSIBLE. AND I THINK IT MIGHT USE THE SYSTEM ON Su-27s.
SK2S IDEA, I THINK... IS RIGHT. BUT I HAVE 99% CONFIDENT THAT J-10 WILL INSTALL IT IN UPGRADE VERSION

The design of the system on the Su-27 is probably too old, the PLAAF may develop a new one instead.

but does PLAAF have such a good skill to develope a better sys than Su-27s?

haha, depends

http://news.yam.com/cna/international/news/200201/20020119093024.html
漢和情報評論証實中共殲十A型戰機正式量產

(中央社記者張聲肇渥太華十八日專電) 漢和情報評論發言人平可夫今天證實，中國大陸成都飛機工業集團以及第一三二廠將從今年開始生產首批J10A殲擊轟炸機。第一批的產量大約是五十架。

莫斯科權威軍事工業界消息來源對漢和記者表示，五十四台AL31FN發動機已經從去年年底開始運交中國大陸，運交過程完全按照合約進行。漢和情報獲悉，一架J10試驗機使用了AL31FN發動機。

消息來源強調，二零零零年十月二十五日，中共航空技術代表團一行十二人到達莫斯科正式驗收Zhemchung多功能雷達。它可能與J10A的批量生產有直接關系。Zhem chung的前視搜索距離一百二十公里，尾追搜索距離五十公里，可以邊跟蹤邊掃描二十個目標，並鎖定其中最危險的二到四個目標。搜索範圍正負九十度。J10A開放型的火控系統使其可以使用大部分俄式、中共式空對空、空對地導彈，包括正在研發之中的PL12主動雷達誘導導彈，和Kh系列電視制導炸彈。

平可夫強調，儘管J10雷達性能離歐美標準還有相當距離，但是，飛機的超前設計，讓它擁有很大的改良餘地。

殲十A型的出現，大大地縮短了中共戰鬥機與俄式、歐洲戰鬥機的距離，為新一代隱性戰鬥機的設計奠定了很好的基礎。其優化的氣動外型設計和使用俄式發動機，表明殲十戰鬥機擁有非常好的空中機動性。殲十A定型，則標誌中國大陸戰鬥機工業結束了一味仿製的時代。從歐洲戰鬥機和日本次期支援戰鬥機出現的時間來看，殲十A的服役並不算太晚。

我到是覺得機尾實在過長,對氣動力穩定的影響一定不小,請天行兄評論吧

Since its FBW driven, the affect may be little?

給SK2:FBW並非萬能,何況J-10的FBW還是類比式的

nono, should be digital one...

Zhem chung的前視搜索距離一百二十公里，尾追搜索距離五十公里

A:有哪位網上先進可以說明“尾追搜索”的涵義嗎？？總該不會是對本機六點鍾方向進行雷達偵蒐，目前唯有配備尾衍雷達系統的SU-35方有能力做到的超高檔性能吧？？

可以邊跟蹤邊掃描二十個目標，並鎖定其中最危險的二到四個目標。

A:聽起來好像和我方M2000-5戰機上的RDY相差不多﹔不過實戰時的“品質”如何就不得而知了............
RDY：有效偵測距離130~148km，TWS 24個空中目標，可同步攻擊四個
Zhem chung：偵測距離120km，TWS 20個空中目標，可同步攻擊2~4個

搜索範圍正負九十度。

A: Amazing!!這不像是機械掃描雷達所能達到的搜索範圍，莫非其為被動式相位陣列構型？

<尾追搜索距離五十公里>虎爛的說法,又不是Ｓu-27有尾刺可以裝雷達

個人認同toga兄的看法
漢和這篇的報導可信度不高

http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/fighter/J-10TO.jpg

殲10影像

JANES DEFENCE WEEKLY - MARCH 20, 2002

China to lift veil on its J-10
CRAIG HOYLE JDW Aviation Editor
London
Additional reporting YIHONG CHANG JDW Correspondent
Toronto

China could display its J-10 fighter aircraft for the first time at the Zhuhai airshow in November. Built by the Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Corporation, the J-10 attempts to rival current fourth-generation Western fighter aircraft.

China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) officials revealed the news during the Asian Aerospace exhibition in Singapore early in March.

The appearance of an increasing number of images and documents relating to the new aircraft - which a CATIC spokesperson described as still highly classified - are providing Western analysts with increased insight into the capabilities expected of Beijings equivalent to designs such as the Lockheed Martin F-16.

A single-engine, single-seat design, the multirole J-10 will represent a significant capability advance for the Peoples Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF), which will operate the type alongside its future fleet of Russian-built and licence-manufactured Sukhoi Su-27SK (NATO reporting name: Flanker-B) interceptors. Estimated to have a maximum take-off weight of 18,400kg, the J-10 will likely be powered by a Lyulka Saturn AL-31FN turbofan with a maximum output of around 125.5kN (28,218 lb st). China late last year received its first of 54 AL-31FN engines, suggesting an initial production run of around 50 J-10 fighters.

The AL-31FNs performance approximately matches the 29,000 lb st-plus output of the General Electric/Pratt & Whitney engines that power the F-16 Block 50/52 fighter, although the US platform has a greater fully-laden weight of up to 19,187kg. There is no indication at this time that the PLAAF is interested in acquiring a thrust-vectoring capability from its AL-31-series engines.

An uncorroborated illustration posted on the Internet suggests that the J-10 will have 11 hard points, enabling the aircraft to carry a variety of short- and medium-range air-to-air missiles, air-to-surface weapons and long-range fuel tanks.

Likely armaments for the design include a number of systems from Israel and Russia, as well as licence-built Chinese weapons. If the aircrafts manufacturer were to follow Western companies and introduce conformal fuel tanks into the design, the types operational range and flexibility could be further enhanced.

Documents supplied to Janes Defence Weekly from a regional air force source (but also posted on the Internet) indicate that the J-10 will have a western-style cockpit with a head-up display (HUD), up to three large-screen multifunction displays (MFDs) and hands-on throttle and stick controls. UK Royal Air Force (RAF) sources told JDW that the cockpit illustrated here appears well designed for single-seat operations, and that depending on their computing power, it could be a very capable aircraft.

The cockpit is a typically 1980s-style configuration, said an RAF official, adding credence to long-voiced suggestions that China has benefited from programmes including Israels development of the indigenous Lavi fighter, which itself leveraged F-16 technologies.

Development of the Lavi, which was in the same weight class and similar in configuration to the J-10, was abandoned in 1987 after 60-plus test flights; several years before the Chinese programme is acknowledged as having been launched. The MFDs illustrated in the J-10 diagram below provide (left to right) weapons; radar-warning receiver/navigation; and radar data, with the latter expected to be provided by a design such as the Phazotron-NIIR Sokol or Zhuk fire-control radars. These systems offer a respective detection capability of 180km and 80km in the frontal hemisphere, 80km and 40km in the rear hemisphere, track-while-scan against 24 targets and the simultaneous engagement of up to six and four targets. Another potential candidate for the J-10 is Phazotrons Zhemchug multifunction airborne radar - a further development of the Zhuk system, which has forward and rear hemisphere detection ranges of 120km and 50km respectively, track-while-scan of up to 20 targets and the ability to simultaneously engage up to four threats. A Russian industry official revealed that a 12-strong Chinese delegation visited Russia last October to observe tests of the Zhemchug system, and added that a production contract could be received this year for up to 20 radar sets for China.

Recently posted Internet photographs of the J-10 appear to show two aircraft in test markings. While it is unknown whether these are ground-test vehicles or airworthy platforms, a Taiwanese intelligence source told JDW that at least one of the pictures is of a real prototype.

For an aircraft believed to have been in development for almost a decade and well into its flight-test programme, hard facts about the J-10s capabilities remain sketchy.

The type will, however, provide a great capability advance over the PLAAFs current fighter assets, and this factor alone is certain to heighten awareness in the USA and Taiwan about Chinas ability to project air power within and potentially beyond its borders

簡氏防務新聞3月18日報導：在本月結束的新加坡航展上中國官員宣佈其自行研製的J-10戰鬥機將在今年11月的珠海航展上首次公開亮相。由成都飛機公司研製的J-10戰鬥機可以和當前的西方第四代戰鬥機相抗衡。這種單座單發戰鬥機將會與進口的及按許可證生產的蘇27戰機相搭配成為未來中國空軍的骨幹作戰力量。據稱J-10將配備一系列以色列和俄制武器，以及中國按許可證生產的武器等。

http://military.china.com/zh_cn/news/568/20020319/10227901.html

I cannot believe!

Hi folks: Here is an interesting source of some pics of the controversial J-10. Not sure whether it has been referred to already (in this forum) ?

http://members.tripod.ca/shaohz/news08.html

If the earlier reports are accurate, we should have a better assessment of the J-10 after its November 2002 debut (or maybe sooner) !

I sure hope the ROCAF will have a solution to tackle this new challenge -- either thru air to air tactics or in terms of hardware (e.g. IDF upgrades) !!!

new photo

SK2
敝人對這圖查了一下，該圖的類型是「不可使用」，所以顯示不出來！

>有哪位網上先進可以說明“尾追搜索”的涵義嗎？？

應該是追蹤遠離的目標的搜索距離。

ok, I post the link here
http://www.anyboard.net/gov/mil/anyboard/uploads/egun.jpg