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The US Navy is in the course of evaluating concepts, and next month or the month after we hope to present three or four preferred concepts to the Taiwanese, said David Des Roches, spokesman for the US defence Security Co-operation Agency. President George W. Bush in April approved the sale of eight diesel-powered submarines to Taiwan as part of a huge arms deal that drew sharp criticism from China. The biggest arms deal with Taipei since 1992, it also included four Kidd-class destroyers, 12 anti-submarine p-3 Orion aircraft and other hi-tech weapons. US companies have not made diesel submarines since the 1950s. The Netherlands and Germany make diesel submarines but have said they will not be part of a US deal with Taiwan for fear of angering China. Some defence experts have warned that the cost to US manufacturers of starting from scratch with a diesel submarine design could be prohibitive. Coupled with financial pressures in Taiwan, some have speculated that Taipei could decide against acquiring the submarines after all. But John Tkacik, a research fellow at the Washington-based Heritage Foundation, said US companies had expressed confidence in their ability to come up with a design for the diesel-powered submarines on their own. Mr Tkacik said he expected the deal to proceed, despite opposition from the US Navy, which has nuclear-powered submarines and does not want to find itself in the position of having to purchase diesel-powered submarines. He noted that diesel-powered electric submarines were far cheaper and quieter than nuclear-powered submarines, which made them useful for special operations missions. But they can only stay submerged for several weeks at a time, instead of the six-month duration for nuclear submarines. He said Taiwan might have other political priorities, but building submarines was a military must. This is one thing they cant do without, Mr Tkacik said. Randy Belote, a spokesman for Northrop Grumman, said his company had presented its concept paper for building the diesel submarines to the US Navy and was awaiting word on the programs future. We have the capability and the capacity to produce diesel electric subs and we just stand ready to learn the direction of the program and help if were called upon by the US government, he said. Defence officials said the Naval Sea Systems Command and the Navy International Program Office are evaluating the concept papers they received from Northrop and six other US and international companies in November. But some officials remained sceptical, saying Taiwan could well back away from the deal if it becomes too costly, especially if the Dutch refuse to allow use of their design. The Taiwanese may have to fund the complete development of diesel submarine from start to finish, and that could be a very, very, very expensive proposition, said one defence official, who asked not to be named. Northrops Ingalls Shipyard won a contract in 2000 to build two diesel submarines for the Egyptian Navy, using the Netherlands RDM Moray-class design. Some experts have said a modified version of that design could be used to build the Taiwanese submarines, although the Netherlands refusal to co-operate could pose a problem. But Mr Belote said he did not believe the design issue would be a major obstacle. 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