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SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/07 10:21
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As I have said before on the Song class problem, it still has room to improve.

If we watch it from far away, yes, it looks beautiful. But if you look closer, you will find that there are lots of problem.

1. The painting on the ship sucks(well, maybe able compromise because it has just finish a European trip)

2. The cables are everywhere. If you look carefully at the radar, have a close look, you will find the cables behind, they have no protection but just placed outside. If there are some bombs or missiles exploded near to it, the radars will be disabled.

3. The helo deck isnt placed with full set of landing equipment. Also if you need to place your helo into the left hangar, you will need to pass through an armoured(I think) ammo supply door, which may hurt the helo.

There are lots more problem actually, too much for me to say.



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SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/08 16:46
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Well, thats true for the LuDa class(®È¤j¯Å), however thats the event of more than 20 years ago, and achieved in sea trail. So, now, will they still dare to run their ship to that state, under poor craftsmen and the age of those ships? Thats the same as those lod Gearing class ships in Taiwan can go over 30 knots in theorey, but will you really go that far?



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Danial ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/10 19:52
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167: a new ship with old weapons

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-----they do not need to rush at the battle ships for launch torpedoes now.




ryan2181 ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/10 19:58
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SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/10 22:27
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ryan2181 ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/10 22:34
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CAN YOU TELL ¤K¤ì¦¡¤Ñ½uªºÀu¯ÊÂI??
WHY CAN USE FROM WW|| TO NOW??
thanks.



SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/10 22:40
Re:¹ï²`¦`¸¹ÅX³vÄ¥ªº¬Ýªk

sorry, I dont know about this...may need sometime to find out
and you cna reply me in Chinese also, make others easy to see, thanks



SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/10 22:45
Re:¹ï²`¦`¸¹ÅX³vÄ¥ªº¬Ýªk

Just remembered some

Good: long range, light weight
Bad: Great error in altitude



ryan2181 ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/10 22:51
Re:¹ï²`¦`¸¹ÅX³vÄ¥ªº¬Ýªk

I see,thanks!



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SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/12 00:07
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Then, can you help me to find, the air inlet for the gas turbine for ®È®ü?



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SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/12 01:09
Re:¹ï²`¦`¸¹ÅX³vÄ¥ªº¬Ýªk

Since there is no air inlet, the probability of Luhai using the gas turbine is very small...



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Which type of 051? No proof no say.



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Re:¹ï²`¦`¸¹ÅX³vÄ¥ªº¬Ýªk

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SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/12 12:48
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I have such prediction because I have board the 167 when it visited Hong Kong. There is no the large air-inlet for the gas turbine, so I think that it use steam turbine instead of Gas Turbine.

The air inlet must be large in size because of the working of the gas turbine. I think some people here who are more familiar in gas turbine can explain for me why a large air-inlet is needed.




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