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New Anti-Ship Missile to be Tested in April
Taipei Times, Feb. 2, 2001
The military plans to test-fire the domestically developed Hsiung Feng-III
anti-ship missile in April as part of the final trials of the new weapon
system before putting it into service, according to defense sources.
The test-firing is to take place off the east coast to coincide with the
Hankuang No. 17 joint-force exercise, which will be launched around the
same time in southern Taiwan.
It is expected to cause spy ships and submarines from various countries
to converge off the east coast to collect information on the new high-tech
weapon.
Several years ago, a U.S. Navy Los Angeles-class submarine was spotted off
an island near the east coast where the air force was testing Mica air-to-air
missiles bought from France.
The result of the test-firing of the Hsiung Feng-III will affect the scheduled
time for the new missile to enter mass production and become operational.
The missiles are set to go into production at the end of the year. In June,
the military leadership will make a decision on the matter according to
the performance of the new missile during its pre-service trials. In this
years defense budget, there is an unidentified sum of money for preparations
for the missile to become operational.
The Hsiung Feng-III missile will become the latest and highest-specification
locally built anti-ship missile in the armed services, if it passes muster.
It is the third generation of Hsiung Feng-series anti-ship missiles. Its
developer is the military-run Chung Shan Institute of Science and Technology
(CSIST).
CSIST staff say that the new missile surpasses the lethal Russian-made Sunburn
anti-ship missile in range. The mainland navy has acquired dozens of Sunburns
for use on its two Sovremenny-class destroyers. The Hsiung Feng-III is said
to have a range of around 600 kilometers and a speed of over Mach 2, while
the Sunburn, which also travels at twice the speed of sound, is reportedly
limited in range to 240 kilometers.
Powered by a ramjet engine, the missile can attack not only surface targets
but also targets in harbors, a defense official said. It is equivalent
to the newest version of the U.S. Harpoon anti-ship missile, which can either
engage moving ships or static targets in harbors, the official explained.
There is only a minor distinction between an anti-ship missile of this
kind and a cruise missile. The Hsiung Feng-III missile is to have a cruise
missile variant in the future. CSIST is working on it, he said.
Unlike its two previous versions, the Hsiung Feng-III is a vertically launched
missile like the Harpoon missile. This marks a breakthrough in CSIST missile
launch development technology.
A vertical launch can greatly widen the angle of attack of the missile while
at the same time reducing the radar cross section of the weapon.
It is not known what type of ships will be equipped with the Hsiung Feng-III
missile, but it could end up on either Lafayette-class or Chengkung-class
frigates.
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rio bro, welcome,
I am not quite sure. Lot factors invovled such as the cooling performace, heat insulation etc...
For the regular short range AAM, 400~600K will be a good guess.
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thanks. i am just curious if short range AAM doesnt need a cooling system ? a AAM is flying with 3M speed plus 10k meters effective distance to target. does that mean heat resistance of missile head can reduce 400-600K temp below threshold of IR dector and harmless to target jets heating signal ? cool!
or, IR dectors threshold is higher than that temp range.
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yeah, you provide a good consideration. i suppose IR dector to receive all enviromnet background and target heating sources to compared them to guide AAM approaching target. target engines temp may reach to 1500C. but how high temp compared with head of missile
(maybe 400-600K) you can detect at 10K distance in terms of IR detector point view.
or, have to reduce head enviorment temp of missile to relative low (room temp ?) to eliminate those noise ?
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¤pº§À¥S, thanks for your information, i just study sidewinder system briefly. you are right. new aim9x will equip a cyroengine for ir elements cooling. it used to be nitrogen instaed. so aircraft has a nitrogen receiver and uses umbilical connectr to link missile body for coolant filling. ir elements need a very low temp enviroment to compared with target aircrafts heating signal.
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¤pº§À¥S one more question, how is ir homing guide AAM
to distinguish ir emmiting souce between targeted aircraft
and sun. thanks in advance.
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