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In reality, even an Aegis cruiser will not be able to withstand a full-out saturated aerial attack, for the simple reason that there is only a finite number of missiles any ship can carry. However, in order for the PLA-N aviation to make a plausible attack to our fleet (say one Kidd-class together with 6-7 other destroyers/missile frigates) stationed 800 km outside Shanghai these airplanes will have to stretch far (even at the end of their legs). I do not know how many anti-ship missles (C801? C802? or AS-6 variant?) that each of PLA-Ns Su27 can carry, but at least 80-100 planes are needed plus electronic jammer support. If there is a shooting war in Taiwan strait, I dont think PLA-N will have any Su-27 to spare to deal with threat outside Shanghai. If I were them, I will send out two squadrons of much slower Badgers (Tu-16 variants) with some fighter escort (if they have that many of them) and hoping some of their missiles get lucky and penetrate the air-defence shield.
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With that distance in mind, our fighter squadrons may be able to intercept the incoming bandits just before they launch their anti-ship missiles but the timing will be very tricky indeed. As soon as we know the position of their attack force, that is possible. I suggest placing an E-2T Hawkeye at about 450-500 km south-west of our fleet (but also within the coverage of land-based fighters) to provide ELINT support. Also this will confuse the incoming bandit squadrons on the whereabouts of our fleet.
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I agree that the South China Sea is probably going
to be a main battle field. To us, it can serve
as a kind of flanking maneuver. After all, a direct
frontal assault by us on the chinese territory will be
costly if not suicidal. The right thing to do is to
attack its flank... which is proabably the South China
Sea.
I always have a somewhat unrealisitic dream of giving
up Kinman and Matsu at the beginning of the conflict
(which i always figure as two potential Stalingrads for
us) and exchange them for the south-china sea islands
or atolls currecntly hold by the chinese. If these
islands or atolls are occupied by us at the beginning,
the chinese fleet has to come out and reclaims them;
and this is the time for a fantastic fleet action
outside of their land-based fighters and bombers...
With Kidds and possibly Spruances or Burkes in the fleet,
I am confident that we can annihilate their south china
see fleet and make sure that they wont be able to
harrass Taiwan again any time soon.
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Hi,Armstrong, Happy New Year,
I still consider Kinmen and Matsu as very important defence outposts for Taiwan based on the following reasons.
1. With adequate deloyment of SAM and land-based ASM plus the deployment in Penghu, east-sea and north-sea fleets can be deterred effectively. Even in the war, these three islands will post great threat against the sea transportation from south China to Shanghai. PLA will think lot before they initialize the war.
2. Speaking of cruise missile retaliation against the attack from China, these two islands are considered as some the best location, even some kind of channel.
3. If Taiwan gives up these two island, two more PLAs naval bases will post the threat against Taiwans security.
4. Since we have these two islands, ROC navy still can patrol almost entire Taiwan strait. If we withdraw from these two islands, ROC navys patrol turf will significantly suppressed.
Speaking of south sea battle, our priciple goal should secure the sea tranportantion from south sea to Kaoshiung.
It is better to consider the area near Philppine. Thus, PLANs avaition power will be limited. Maybe they will deploy some 093 that time. However,Taiwan just need dispatch two subs, and some country will be glad to hide to take those 093s out. Lot risks against PLAN.
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Cheking the posted articles and replies above, it makes interesting reading.
If China is reckless enough wanting to close the South China Sea, I think there will be military and other less-obviouos consquences. The most likely scenario will be that we see the naval version of Desert Storm happening all over again:
- China will not only have to face the TW armed force, but also the US 7th Fleet, special task fleets from UK (defence treaty between UK and Brunei is still in place, right?) and Japan (will be interesting to see a Kongo-class such as Kirishima in action), plus coaliation force from ASEAN countries with Australia and New Zealand making up the rear. Can PLA-N handle this?
- if the air and sea traffic is closed in South China Sea, watch the Hang Seng Index plummets like Jiang Zemin doing bunjee jumping. Hong Kongs position as an international trading city and gateway to China will cease to exist. So not only the Chinese will lose the fleet(s) it built up over the years, but with the demise of the HK economy China will have difficulty to replemish the boats and weapons....
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Due to some mentioned flaws in my arguments, I have to study more and talk less. ^^
There is an interesting site regarding the South China sea. You may check it out.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/war/spratly.htm
Your opinions are resonable. That is why sometimes I am quite optimistic about the condition of TW strait.
What I am concerning is about how to adopt reasonable deployment to enhance our security.
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