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TWN 於 2002/07/11 12:25 | |
護照問題 怎麼辦 ?? | |
剛剛看到豬頭外交部還是決定一意孤行 發行 ISSUED in Taiwan 的自我矮化護照 看來不把事情鬧大 牠們是不會屈服的 有沒有人有點子可以去抗議 大家集思廣益一下 看要遊行 發傳單 電話癱瘓戰 FAX 癱瘓戰 假如簡部長 辦不到的話 就請自己滾下臺吧 不要在丟臉了 http://www.ettoday.com/2002/07/11/304-1326627.htm
記者張麗娜/台北報導 外交部已確定今年秋天即將發行的新版護照,將採用「Issued in Taiwan」的英文字樣。對此,蔡同榮11日上午發布新聞稿,對外交部不顧民進黨中常會決議表達「遺憾」! 儘管民進黨中常會在7月2日通過決議,建請行政院依據立法院外交委員會所作的新版台灣護照改為「Taiwan Passport」的附帶決議版本,要求外交部儘速執行,但外交部在7月9日正式發函給民進黨立委蔡同榮,將堅持於今年秋天發行新版「Issued in Taiwan」英文字樣的新護照。 蔡同榮指出,護照封面上的英文字「PASSPORT」加註台灣「TAIWAN」是經由立法院、民間社團及執政黨中央共同希望推動更改的決議,立法院外交委員會是於今年5月30日通過附帶決議;民進黨及台聯等12位立委於6月11日拜會外交部長針對此案進行意見交換,其後有民間團體於6月28日也再度前往外交部拜會,希望外交部能順應民意替台灣護照正名;而民進黨中央常會更於7月2日通過建請行政院針對護照封面上的英文字「PASSPORT」加註台灣「TAIWAN」的決議儘速執行。 蔡同榮指出,甫從非洲訪問回國的陳水扁總統都認為,非洲友邦國家都願為台灣發聲,但認為我方使用的名稱太多種,正當我們決定替台灣正名,要幫助陳水扁總統讓台灣走出去、站起來之時,陳水扁總統即將擔任民進黨主席,面對政黨政治及台灣政局即將朝向黨政一體的改變下,行政單位無視於國會與執政黨中央的決議與要求,一味的以技術面、外交層次、政治與行政因素為由,堅拒民意之要求,此一作法與行為當非各界所樂見。 蔡同榮指出,若行政單位往後對於黨的決議仍舊我行我素,毫不配合黨政一體的決策,將可能造成嚴重的黨政分離危機,更不利領導中心的威權。 蔡同榮認為,外交部應該要懸崖勒馬,不要因政策的錯誤而自誤,並希望為了陳水扁總統接任民進黨主席的坦途鋪路,要求外交部立即更改將新版護照「Issued in Taiwan」改為「Taiwan Passport」,以符合民意及政黨所需。 |
Taipei Student 於 2002/07/11 14:21 | |
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這個東西我也有一些看法.以後改用通用拼音,中華民國英文的翻譯就會跟現在不同,再加上台灣護照,就不會有外國人誤導以為我們是中國的嫌疑了。 附:通用拼音爭議國民黨團要求教育部長辭職謝罪 (中央社記者張銘坤台北十一日電)教育部國語推行委員會決定中文譯音採用通用拼音,再次引發通用拼音和漢語拼音的爭議,中國國民黨立法院黨團今天上午舉行記者會批評採用通用拼音是意識形態作祟,無法和國際接軌,要求教育部長黃榮村辭職謝罪,撤換教育部政務次長范巽綠。 廣 告 教育部國語推行委員會昨天決定中文譯音採用通用拼音,國民黨團上午舉行記者會批評教育部國語會的決定。 國民黨中央政策委員會副執行長黃昭順表示,全世界都採用漢語拼音,只有台灣決定要採用通用拼音,無法和國際接軌,獨樹一格,違背世界的潮流,意識形態的作法將使台灣更沒有競爭力,自絕於國際社會。 國民黨籍立委關沃暖(僑選)表示,民進黨政府推動通用拼音是意識形態作祟,黃榮村是利用「綠化」的國語會為通用拼音背書,委員會成員二十六人只有十五人出席、十人贊成,作法太不應該。 他表示,台灣要走向國際化,民進黨拒絕全世界採用的漢語拼音,硬要採用通用拼音作法不智,幕後黑手范巽綠應該被撤換,黃榮村沒有擔當,應該辭職謝罪。 國民黨籍立委陳學聖(台北市)表示,中文譯音必須全國統一、國際接軌,中文譯音一國多制,未來外國人到台灣使用中文譯音也要遇上統獨問題,令人遺憾。910711 |
蘭陽醒獅團 於 2002/07/11 22:57 | |
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短期做法.......把issued in 用綠色貼紙給遮起來。 長期的話要等到政治氣氛轉向,一些中國裔的台灣人下臺才行。 我很樂觀...10年以內可達成。 |
白目康 於 2002/07/12 04:40 | |
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國名是什麼就是什麼護照 ~ 名不正則言不順嘛。 你是不是中華民國的公民﹖OK﹐那你用的就是中華民國護照,既不是中華人民共和國也不是還在夢中、從來沒有實現過的台灣共和國。 中華民國的國民使用的就是中華民國護照,有什麼爭議呢﹖ |
OLA 於 2002/07/12 05:00 | |
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白目康 您真的挺白目的。。。。看您寫中華民國四個字挺順的 請問,何謂中華民國?? 千萬別告訴我,會寫不代表知道其義! 哈哈哈哈 |
aqua 於 2002/07/12 05:01 | |
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中華民國的正確英文名稱應為Chunghwa Mingkuo 而中華民國在國際上俗稱台灣就猶如聯合王國在國際上俗稱英國 Republic of China翻譯過來就是支那共和國, 很明顯不符合中國民國的意思 如果還有支那人渣堅持竄改我國國民並且因此與支那人民共和國造成混淆 或甚至陰謀把我國與支那人民共和國魚目混珠說成是同國 那麼我們可以很明白的說, 這是一種意圖非法顛覆我國國體的嚴重罪行 這種支那人渣全部殺光也不會冤枉了誰! |
白目康 於 2002/07/12 05:16 | |
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中華民國就是孫中山先生領導革命於1911年創立的亞洲第一個民主共和國。 英文名稱 ~ Republic of China 已經在世界上存在九十多年,跟在睡夢中才存在的台灣共和國,一秒中都沒有實質存在過的台灣共和國可不一樣噢 ^^ |
白目康 於 2002/07/12 05:17 | |
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>>委員會成員二十六人只有十五人出席、十人贊成,作法太不應該。 國民黨這句指責錯在哪裡我就不知道了^^ |
Taipei Student 於 2002/07/12 05:59 | |
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>>中華民國就是孫中山先生領導革命於1911年創立的亞洲第一個民主共和國。 英文名稱 ~ Republic of China 已經在世界上存在九十多年,跟在睡夢中才存在的台灣共和國,一秒中都沒有實質存在過的台灣共和國可不一樣噢 ^^ 中華民國後來的下場就是發生內戰,然後變成某個落魄政黨的招牌,跑到中國東方一個島國上去殖民,最後由於中華民國解嚴,回復民主體制,台灣人掌握政權,所以現在的中華民國是名副其實的”台灣人”國家,跟在夢裡見到的秋海棠大中華可是不一樣的唷^^~。 AND請正面回應網友的文章。 中華民國的正確英文名稱應為Chunghwa Mingkuo |
芋薯屬 於 2002/07/12 09:34 | |
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既然拼音已定,以後可以將『中華民國』四字的英文拼音改以通用拼音,既沒改掉統派最念茲在茲的國名,也沒跟中華人民共和國混淆國名之慮,既使在護照下註明ISSUED in Taiwan ,也就無關痛癢了,外國人只會不知所云的照念,然後只留下來自台灣的印象! 別告訴我會違憲,憲法可沒題過英文國名。 |
Tai-oan-lang 於 2002/07/12 09:58 | |
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台灣護照 Taiwan Possport |
煉魔獄主 於 2002/07/13 15:42 | |
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經立法院多數議決及元首對外宣稱的護照英文名稱,何以外交部有權做更改? 舉凡無法執行政策的政務官,都該下台。 至於事務官並無決策權,一切應依政策執行相關事務。 不管那一黨那一派,在所有經過媒體調查中,以〔台灣〕為護照英文名稱業已獲多數 護照所改者僅只於英文名稱,不關國名與中華民國的事。 不肯認清以上事實,無論如何死抱任一名號不放,動則以歷史淵源等故事不究及國家 |
觀光客 於 2002/07/14 12:18 | |
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TO : 白目康 在許多國際上可找的歷史資料中Republic of China 早在1949年就已經消失了. 當然這並不代表所有資料一定都是如此 但很遺憾的..除了在台灣人,大陸人和極少部分國外人士知道啥是Republic of China外 我想Taiwan的名字永遠比ROC來的響亮 姑且掠過之前我們所學的歷史. 請您參考一下 http://www.asterius.com/china/china4.asp#KMT Republican China (1911-1949) In the early 1920s, Dr. Sun Yatsen, as the leader of the (up-to-then unsuccessful) Nationalist Party (KMT), accepted Soviet aid. With the Communist help, Sun Yatsen was able to forge a alliance with the fledgling Chinese Communist Party (CCP), and started the task of re-unifying a China beset with warlords. Unfortunately, Sun died of cancer in 1925. The leadership of the KMT was then taken over by Chiang Kaishek. After Chiang took over the KMT, he launched his famous Northern Expedition -- all the way from Guangzhou to Shanghai. This unified Southern China and, more importantly, let the Nationalists control the Lower Yangzi. Once they got to Shanghai, Chiang, who had never liked the Communists anyway, launched a massacre of CCP members. Among those who managed to escape the carnage was a young communist named Mao Zedong. The Communists were forced to abandon their urban bases and fled to the countryside. There, the Nationalist forces (aided and abetted by German advisors) tried to hunt them down, and in the words (more or less) of Chiang, eliminate the cancer of Communism. In 1934, the Nationalists were closing in on the Communist positions, when, under the cover of night, the Communists broke out and started running. They didnt stop for a year. This was the Long March. When the Communists started, they had 100,000 people. A year later, when they finally stopped, they had traveled 6,000 miles, and were down to between four to eight thousand people. Part of the problem is that they didnt know where they were going. They started in Jiangxi Province, about 400 km northeast of Guangzhou. Then they headed west, past Guilin, and into Yunnan province, in southwest China. They would have stopped there, but the local warlords werent really happy about having them. At Kunming, the capital of Yunnan province, they turned north, past Chengdu in Sichuan province, and eventually ended up in Shaanxi, near Yanan. From then on, being a Long Marcher was the mark of aristocracy in the CCP. Deng Xiaoping, the former paramount leader of China, was a Long Marcher. With Dengs passing, there are few, if any Long Marchers left in the Party elite. While in Yanan, on the periphery of Nationalist power, Mao consolidated his position (gained during the Long March) as the sole leader of the Revolution. The classic book on this period is Edgar Snows Red Star Over China, which includes some texts by Mao himself. While all this was going on, the Japanese were busy occupying Manchuria. This proved helpful for the Communists -- the troops sent by Jiang to the North to contain and eventually eliminate the CCP much preferred to spend their time fighting the Japanese. In late 1936, Jiangs own generals kidnapped him and held him captive until he agreed to fight the Japanese before fighting the Communists. In 1937, the Japanese invaded China proper from their bases in Manchuria, using the notorious Marco Polo incident as an excuse. Once whole-scale war had been launched, it didnt take the Japanese long to occupy the major coastal cities and commit atrocities. By the time that the war had ended in 1945, 20 million Chinese had died at the hands of the Japanese. The Nationalist Government fled up the Yangzi to Chongqing from Nanjing. In 1939, World War II started. This initally had little effect on the situation in China, as the Japanese were not involved with war in Europe. However, after the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, the main thrust of the Japanese war effort turned away from fighting the Chinese and towards fighting the Americans. After the Americans entered the war, the Communists started to consolidate their control over North China in preperation for the resumption of the civil war that would occur after the Japanese had been defeated. The Nationalists, in contrast to the Communists, were disorganized and corrupt, problems that would only intensify after the war. Moreover, their attempts to fight the Japanese were ineffective at best. The general in charge of US efforts inside China, General Stillwell, lobbied Washington (ineffectively) to channel some aid to the Communists; this was not because Stillwell was sympathetic to their cause but because the CCP, employing guerrilla tactics they had independently developed during the civil war, was simply doing a better job fighting the Japanese than the Nationalists. At the end of World War II, the war between the Nationalists and the Communists started up again. The Communists were hampered by the fact that the Japanese were under orders to surrender only to the Nationalists, not the Communists. This, however, did not end up making much of a difference. By early 1949, the Nationalists were hamstrung by intractable corruption and huge debts; they paid off their debts by printing more money, which only lead to hyperinflation. By that October, the Nationalists had fled to Taiwan and Mao Zedong had proclaimed the creation of the Peoples Republic of China. Curiously, while the Red Army was busy re-unifying the south, they didnt bother re-unifying either Macau or Hong Kong, even though it would have been extremely easy, and neither Britain or Portugal would have been in much of a position to protest. http://www-chaos.umd.edu/history/republican.html Republican China In November Yuan Shikai, legally president, ordered the Guomindang dissolved and its members removed from parliament. Within a few months, he suspended parliament and the provincial assemblies and forced the promulgation of a new constitution, which, in effect, made him president for life. Yuans ambitions still were not satisfied, and, by the end of 1915, it was announced that he would reestablish the monarchy. Widespread rebellions ensued, and numerous provinces declared independence. With opposition at every quarter and the nation breaking up into warlord factions, Yuan Shikai died of natural causes in June 1916, deserted by his lieutenants.
In early 1927 the Guomindang-CCP rivalry led to a split in the revolutionary ranks. The CCP and the left wing of the Guomindang had decided to move the seat of the Nationalist government from Guangzhou to Wuhan. But Chiang, whose Northern Expedition was proving successful, set his forces to destroying the Shanghai CCP apparatus and established an anti-Communist government at Nanjing in April 1927. There now were three capitals in China: the internationally recognized warlord regime in Beijing; the Communist and left-wing Guomindang regime at Wuhan (); and the right-wing civilian-military regime at Nanjing, which would remain the Nationalist capital for the next decade. The Comintern cause appeared bankrupt. A new policy was instituted calling on the CCP to foment armed insurrections in both urban and rural areas in preparation for an expected rising tide of revolution. Unsuccessful attempts were made by Communists to take cities such as Nanchang (), Changsha (), Shantou (), and Guangzhou, and an armed rural insurrection, known as the Autumn Harvest Uprising, was staged by peasants in Hunan Province. The insurrection was led by Mao Zedong ( 1893-1976), who would later become chairman of the CCP and head of state of the Peoples Republic of China. Mao was of peasant origins and was one of the founders of the CCP. But in mid-1927 the CCP was at a low ebb. The Communists had been expelled from Wuhan by their left-wing Guomindang allies, who in turn were toppled by a military regime. By 1928 all of China was at least nominally under Chiangs control, and the Nanjing government received prompt international recognition as the sole legitimate government of China. The Nationalist government announced that in conformity with Sun Yat-sens formula for the three stages of revolution--military unification, political tutelage, and constitutional democracy--China had reached the end of the first phase and would embark on the second, which would be under Guomindang direction. http://memory.loc.gov/frd/cs/cntoc.html China In November Yuan Shikai, legally president, ordered the Guomindang dissolved and its members removed from parliament. Within a few months, he suspended parliament and the provincial assemblies and forced the promulgation of a new constitution, which, in effect, made him president for life. Yuans ambitions still were not satisfied, and, by the end of 1915, it was announced that he would reestablish the monarchy. Widespread rebellions ensued, and numerous provinces declared independence. With opposition at every quarter and the nation breaking up into warlord factions, Yuan Shikai died of natural causes in June 1916, deserted by his lieutenants. http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/core9/phalsall/texts/chinhist.html The dynastic system was overturned in 1911, and a weak republican form of government existed until 1949. In that year, after a long civil war, the Peoples Republic of China, with a Communist government, was proclaimed. 如果您還有興趣的話..在下還可以提供更多註明ROC在1949年後已不再存在的資料 歷史是人寫的..歷史的正確性與否端看於寫作者的立場與觀點 |
祥 於 2002/07/14 12:55 | |
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中國裔的台灣人?聽說他們自稱是『純正的中國人』。 to 白目康,不知道你有沒看過聯合國憲章第23條?如果你的roc還是1911年那個roc,我個人到覺得你好像還在作夢,因為那個roc已經走入『歷史』只能在『夢裡尋』。 一樣是昏暗的陽光, 討論台灣證明的問題,不要自己閉著眼睛喊爽的。台灣派的人從以前到現在,一而再,再而三的提出各種的國際條約,各種資料,希望的就是大家能就事論事,面對現實,討論出一條台灣未來要走的路,但你們這些支那派的,在我看來還是閉著眼睛說瞎話。 |
小傑 於 2002/07/14 16:19 | |
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上總統府網站反應一下! http://www.president.gov.tw/1_forum/forum-index.html or 總統府公共事務室: 陳情專線(0二)二三八九八一四二表達意見 http://www.president.gov.tw/2_service/q_and_a.html#6 |
Matrix 於 2002/07/16 19:56 | |
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請寫信到外交部抗議! 不可加註 issued in Taiwan 改為 Taiwan Passport http://www.mofa.gov.tw/newmofa/index.htm ---------------------------------------------- 外交部日前發函民進黨籍立委蔡同榮,表明仍將在秋天發行封面印有﹁Issued in Taiwan﹂的新版護照,引發多位民進黨籍立委強烈反彈,計畫明天赴外交部抗議;外交部長簡又新下午緊急到立院溝通後,決定暫停印製新版護照封面,等各界有共識後再做決定... |
白賊七 於 2002/07/17 16:29 | |
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那時候在外獨看到有人建議把CHINA刮掉 覺得滿好的 回家把那個字括掉改寫TAIWAN時 很高興地等著新護照 朋友棉都說我瘋了 ISSUED IN TAIWAN雖不滿意 還可以接受 後來南方有人針對這個問題發表了些文章 www.southnews.com.tw專題:護照加注台灣風波 (歐巴桑偶不會做連結自已企看) 才發覺這種委屈求全的態度似是而非的觀念狠糟糕 別人的國家名稱只有一個 台灣的護照又是China又是Taiwan的 到底是什麼國家 任何一個國家名稱小到報張雜誌大到世界組織 英國就英國 美國就美國 日本就日本 甚至那個宋神說的鳥不生蛋的塞內加爾 都不會像我們這樣 這邊台澎金馬那邊衛生實體 我可以體諒他們力拼外交的艱辛 但是今天就算台灣舉雙手要與中國統一 我相信周邊國家印度 澳洲 日本 包括英美他們反而要擔心 台灣地理位置的重要性難道不是我們的籌碼? 有必要每次都得委屈求全然後玩文字遊戲 自欺欺人還洋洋得意? 每次看到Chinese Taipei 就有氣 明明就是中國的台北還翻作中華台北 外交部否決TAIWAN PASSPORT的說法沒有一項可以說服人民 話說這幾天又有朋友問我要去那一國玩 我說看哪一天護照上沒有CHINA 沒有ISSUED時 他們吶 狠難體會我悲傷 認真的心情 |
白賊七 於 2002/07/17 16:30 | |
Re:護照問題 怎麼辦 ?? | |
上一次BUSH說REPUBLIC OF TAIWAN的新聞出來 白宮網頁原文刊登BUSH也沒說他口誤 中國呢沒有聲音說反對抗議 為什麼我們的外交部張小月就先說布希口誤? 塞內加爾足球風波她隔天開記者會證實有比賽 後來外交部網頁登的卻是[球技與”比賽策略”的展示] 大約事件後一個星期體委會朱壽騫上火線聊天室 他說早就知道不能比賽的也已告知外交部了 林立問他為什麼媒體大肆報導有比賽時 外交部和體委會不出來澄清說明 朱先生拉拉扯扯的就沒說出個原因 雖然有人受懲處了 可是到底誰說謊民眾不知道 還有聯合國擅自把台灣歸為中國一省 張小月接受Taiwan News訪問說有抗議過了 可是有人去查發現外交部根本沒有向聯合國抗議 想到她還要民眾一人一信去聯合國抗議 我實在很生氣+失望+難過 因為 歐巴桑偶實在太沮喪了 等哪天偶心情 資料整理好 我倒要問問外交部 |
cl 於 2002/07/18 00:19 | |
Re:護照問題 怎麼辦 ?? | |
taiwan is taiwan. china is china. taiwan has nothing to with china. we should insist to use taiwan passport. roc has been disappeared from tjis world. nobody knows what roc is. if mr. Tzen does know how to deal with this issue,he should impeached. |
九等生 於 2002/07/18 11:07 | |
Re:護照問題 怎麼辦 ?? | |
護照加註台灣 傾向由外轉內 2002.07.18 中國時報 http://news.chinatimes.com/Chinatimes/newslist/newslist-content/0,3546,110502+112002071800641,00.html 外交部長簡又新表示將暫緩印製新版護照封面,但外交部昨日強調預定十月發行新版護照的時程並不受影響。官員表示,由於護照封面若加註「TAIWAN PASSPORT」可能引發國際誤解我方在推行漸進式台獨,並不可行,原先提出的「ISSUED IN TAIWAN」又讓各方不滿意,未來有可能改為在護照內頁加註TAIWAN。 政府是在今年一月間宣布新版護照的發行,。不過,外交部表示現在「情勢有變化」,面對立委壓力及因應執政黨中常會的決議,據了解,最近外交部已針對護照加註問題開了三次會,重新研究各種可行性。 外交部昨日也指稱,針對護照加註一事,陳水扁總統並沒有特定或強烈的看法,陳總統對於外交部的決定高度尊重。 |
大東亞決戰機 於 2002/07/18 11:34 | |
Re:護照問題 怎麼辦 ?? | |
問個問題: 擅自将護照上的china括掉改寫成TAIWAN 算不算偽造文書? 会不会被機場人員G8? 別國機場海関人員反応如何? 我也想把護照上的china括掉改寫成TAIWAN、 *本文章以日本語作成、非簡体字。 |
老衲 於 2002/07/18 12:02 | |
Re:護照問題 怎麼辦 ?? | |
事實上蔡同榮提出的,護照封面上的英文字「PASSPORT」加註台灣「TAIWAN」是經由立法院、民間社團及執政黨中央共同希望推動更改的決議,這個說法全台灣的人都知道是為台灣獨立而台灣的心態,立法院全體委員或中華民國所有的社會團體都贊成嗎?麥片笑也! 還好民進黨的外交部及幾位民進黨的英明委員,她們是專業及真正的執政者,當議案有窒礙難行時,也知道如核四該停就停,不能做也不該做,否則你就是老共的一省! 從前有個笨人對被中箭的人提出一個笨方法解決箭傷,把箭尾巴掉不就好了,蔡同榮正是這種笨人兼飯桶! |
阿幹久 於 2002/07/18 13:14 | |
Re:護照問題 怎麼辦 ?? | |
*本文章以日本語作成、非簡体字。 -------------------------------- 嗯 日本和支那為同一民族 |
apollo 於 2002/07/18 15:02 | |
Re:護照問題 怎麼辦 ?? | |
>從前有個笨人對被中箭的人提出一個笨方法解決箭傷,把箭尾巴掉不就好了,蔡同榮正是這種笨人兼飯桶! 那把箭插在身上還到處給人看的要叫什麼? |
Taiwan NO. 1 於 2002/07/18 19:07 | |
Re:護照問題 怎麼辦 ?? | |
如有出國經商或渡假再該國入境時可向海關官員直接說你是從TAIWAN來的.再加上現有護照內頁有國碼TWN.其實只要你敢說出自己個國名TAIWAN通常不會太大的影響. |
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