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Thanks for telling us your unpleasant experiences with the products made in China.

I think the problem is quality control which demands both quality labors and sound management team.

Quality labor force, notably in high-tech area, takes time and strict discipline to build up. Currently, the performance of Chinese high-tech labors is far from be satisfied.

Besides, China is still a place where the case of politics interfering business is frequently seen. As a result, Management quality gets hurt too.

It's wise not to buy high-tech products or parts made in China now.


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yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/06/23 23:23
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The same problem showed up in computer components.
Asus mobo built up good reputation in the past.
I had a conversation with my local PC deal once
recently. RMA rate used to be less than 1 out of
50 during Made in Taiwan era, now Made in China
gave me 1-2 out of 15.

He also warned me about Computer cases. Always check
the volt switch on power supplies, China uses 220 V
instead of 110 V. They never do good quality controls
on the voltage before exporting to the 110V countries.


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NO:208_57
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/06/26 22:54
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To LazyCat.com:
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I live in US. I believe most American will not
check if the power switch is 110v because they
believe in modern product design. Unfortunately
Made in China is an exceptional case.

I can not imagine what people in Taiwan and southeast Asia get,
if the crap sent to US is top class Made in China.


NO:208_58
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NO:208_60
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NO:208_61
¥x¤H ¡@©ó¡@2002/06/26 23:44
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NO:208_63
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/07 12:24
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

Back to the quality of motherboard.

Contrary to Asus, Abit motherboards are enjoying high
demands in US. I bought one after reading numorous reviews
on Internet. From regular setup to overclock, it was as
smooth as expected. They can count on me for good reference.

During my system setup, I found a very eye-catching print
Made in Taiwan on my BD7-RAID board. This is why Abit
attracts more and more users than Asus. The solid reputation
Asus used to have is now history, it is now Made in China!


NO:208_64
realman ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/08 15:11
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NO:208_65
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NO:208_66
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NO:208_67
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/10 23:23
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

Unless the manufacturers send lower grade electronics
to US, otherwise I would believe my local PC stores
and my own experience.

The quality of computer components deteriorated a lot
since all these Taiwanese companies moved their plants
to China. What is the difference? Same companies,
more or less same managements and probably same
equipments. I think the difference is workers and
environments. And that is what you got from China.

The owner of my local PC store had decided never
to use computer components made in China because
of high RMA rate, and advised me to stick to ones
made in Taiwan. Funny thing is, he is from China.

I quess he knows his people well.
is,


NO:208_68
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/10 23:46
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

The quality of computer components deteriorated a lot¡@since all these Taiwanese companies moved their plants¡@to China. What is the difference? Same companies,¡@more or less same managements and probably same¡@equipments. I think the difference is workers and environments. And that is what you got from China.
The owner of my local PC store had decided never¡@to use computer components made in China because¡@of high RMA rate, and advised me to stick to ones¡@made in Taiwan. Funny thing is, he is from China.

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NO:208_69
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/11 00:54
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Dont mean to contradict you, but I like to modify your
post a little bit.
It is a highly competitive business in PC mobo, 30-40% is
too high to be possible ( I know you are not in this business )
I learned this from two different sources ( a store owner and
a mobo manufacturer sales )

Good mobo RMA is more like < 2-4% and bad ones <5-10%, otherwise
they can not stay in business because no retailer will order
from them. The above is purely from retail point of view.


NO:208_70
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/11 01:10
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/11 00:54
Good mobo RMA is more like < 2-4% and bad ones <5-10%, otherwise
they can not stay in business because no retailer will order
from them. The above is purely from retail point of view.
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NO:208_77
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/12 00:58
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

A big gap between our point of view.

a. I am just a common user, you are in QC

b. I am talking about retail packages
( the store owner uses retail ones as well ),
you are referring to bulk volume users.
Is it possible QC is better for amateur DIY users?

c. I am in US, you are in Taiwan ( dont take it
any more than just geographical difference )

Remember this, some very influencial opinions off
Internet came from hardcore computer users who
only buys retail components.

I dont even tie my shoes if I do not read enough
reviews.


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ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/12 01:36
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NO:208_79
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/12 02:01
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yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/12 00:58
A big gap between our point of view.
a. I am just a common user, you are in QC
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b. I am talking about retail packages¡@( the store owner uses retail ones as well ),¡@you are referring to bulk volume users.
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c. I am in US, you are in Taiwan ( dont take it any more than just geographical difference )
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NO:208_80
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/12 02:04
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NO:208_81
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/13 00:14
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

>b. I am talking about retail packages
>( the store owner uses retail ones as well ),
>you are referring to bulk volume users.
>Is it possible QC is better for amateur DIY users?

If I were a manufacturer, I would have different Quality
Control for different target markets to cut cost. ( I think
this is logical in business ) Common DIY users sometimes
do not know what they are doing, and usually incur
certain abuse. Assembly line workers ( including engineers )
are a lot more skillful with more experience to put these
components together into computers.

Let me put it this way. If you are to buy a shower set
for your DIY project in your bathroom, a missing screw
will cause you painful experience. But a contractor
would not care that much because he has a lot spare
parts in his toolbox.

>Remember this, some very influencial opinions off
>Internet came from hardcore computer users who
>only buys retail components.

Those hardcore users buy retail components to put
together their own computers. Any bad products will
drive them crazy and they will write bad reviews and
complaints on Internet.
Because there are a lot of similar products available
to choose in the market, these reviews are very
decisive among new users.

>I dont even tie my shoes if I do not read enough
>reviews.

just kidding!


NO:208_82
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/13 01:38
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/13 00:14

If I were a manufacturer, I would have different Quality Control for different target markets to cut cost. ( I think this is logical in business ) Common DIY users sometimes do not know what they are doing, and usually incur certain abuse. Assembly line workers ( including engineers ) are a lot more skillful with more experience to put these components together into computers..

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NO:208_83
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NO:208_84
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NO:208_86
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/13 02:06
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NO:208_88
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NO:208_96
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NO:208_97
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/15 01:45
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NO:208_98
lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/15 11:57
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to yamyam90
I like Abit too,and MSI and EPOX,Iwill are in my first Choices
for good components,high reliabity,and good overclocking
but i dislike asus because of its high price and not-so-good quality
and i think ECS is the best solution of low-cost systems


NO:208_99
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/15 23:12
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

>>Let me put it this way. If you are to buy a shower set for your DIY project >>in your bathroom, a missing screw will cause you painful experience. But a >>contractor would not care that much because he has a lot spare parts in his >>toolbox.
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I have no idea what you talked about. What I meant spare parts are just
all the remaining screws and bolts from all sorts of projects, not the orignal
pars. You will know what I meant after you remodel a bathroom or two.

ABIT mobos are commonly recognized as the best mobo for its quality and OC settings in recent years. If you spend a week reading everything from all the review sites and usergroup, ABIT will be your choice. Asus used to be in the same spot before it moved its manufacturing to China. I usually try to avoid buying core products made in China, but cheapies like sandals or socks you have no other choices.


NO:208_100
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/15 23:34
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

I have no idea what you talked about. What I meant spare parts are just
all the remaining screws and bolts from all sorts of projects, not the orignal
pars. You will know what I meant after you remodel a bathroom or two.
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NO:208_101
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/15 23:39
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its quality and OC settings in recent years

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NO:208_102
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/15 23:43
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

You will know what I meant after you remodel a bathroom or two
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NO:208_103
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/15 23:45
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

If you spend a week reading everything from all the review sites and usergroup, ABIT will be your choice. Asus used to be in the same spot before it moved its manufacturing to China. I usually try to avoid buying core products made in China, but cheapies like sandals or socks you have no other choices.

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NO:208_104
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/16 00:00
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

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NO:208_105
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/16 02:22
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

OC ~ overclock

remodelling bathroom ~
Dont just stick in the office, come to where you live. Whatever
products you make in your company are to provide comfort for
people like you and me in the end.

Shower set, facet, tiles, grout, vent, toilet, countertop,
vanity, medicine cabinet, and ....
Everything in the bathroom needs quality control before you
buy them, and you will learn a lot if you have to do it
yourself. ( we do this in US like most other Americans )


NO:208_106
lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/16 17:23
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NO:208_107
lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 11:38
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

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NO:208_108
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 22:12
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

CRT or CDRW/DVD are considered low-end computer
peripherals, I would not be so choosy.

Viewsonic CRT was my favorite before I switched to
LCD. Liteon makes good DVD-ROM, and Cyberdrive has
cheap CDRW.


NO:208_109
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 09:09
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

In case one day all the computer manufacturers
move to China, I would give up building computers
myself and buy from DELL.

This way, at least I still have DELL to count on
no matter what is under the computer case.


NO:208_110
lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 09:30
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to yamyam90
one of my classmate now works in dells assembly factory in china
before that he was in Benq(Acer CM)
he said dells Quality Control is just soso
no better than Benq....

NO:208_111
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 21:56
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

To Lazycat.com

Obviously you do not understand Dell.
I signed numerous DELL purchase orders in
my formal company, and I still think it
is better for coporate users.

With the help of good support to sell
3rd class machines, that is DELL. You can
always count on the repair and replacements.

You are right, In the assembly factory in China
QC is still performed by Chinese.


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lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 12:52
Re:¤¤°ê²£ªº¹q¤l¹s¥ó«~½è¤£¤Ó¦n!

no,in that very factory.QC not by chinese ,but by an Indian

NO:208_113
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/23 04:26
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To Lazycat.com,

Are you telling me DELL QC is only a one-person team
in that very factory in China? Please tell me exactly
what that factory is doing?

Maybe I am not familiar with hardware manufacturing.
In my area of software applications, QA team is usually
not smaller than development teams. ( I assume all the
inspectors included in QC team )

BTW, why do they use an Indian instead of some Chinese
( or I should say American Chinese )?


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yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/29 00:23
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Lazycat.com, Any word for my above questions?

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