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Thanks for telling us your unpleasant experiences with the products made in China. I think the problem is quality control which demands both quality labors and sound management team. Quality labor force, notably in high-tech area, takes time and strict discipline to build up. Currently, the performance of Chinese high-tech labors is far from be satisfied. It's wise not to buy high-tech products or parts made in China now. |
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The same problem showed up in computer components. Asus mobo built up good reputation in the past. I had a conversation with my local PC deal once recently. RMA rate used to be less than 1 out of 50 during Made in Taiwan era, now Made in China gave me 1-2 out of 15. He also warned me about Computer cases. Always check |
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Back to the quality of motherboard. Contrary to Asus, Abit motherboards are enjoying high During my system setup, I found a very eye-catching print |
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Unless the manufacturers send lower grade electronics to US, otherwise I would believe my local PC stores and my own experience. The quality of computer components deteriorated a lot The owner of my local PC store had decided never I quess he knows his people well. |
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The quality of computer components deteriorated a lot¡@since all these Taiwanese companies moved their plants¡@to China. What is the difference? Same companies,¡@more or less same managements and probably same¡@equipments. I think the difference is workers and environments. And that is what you got from China. The owner of my local PC store had decided never¡@to use computer components made in China because¡@of high RMA rate, and advised me to stick to ones¡@made in Taiwan. Funny thing is, he is from China. ¢Ï¢Ï¡G¶â¶â¡ã¡ã¡ã |
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/11 00:54 | |
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yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/11 00:54 Good mobo RMA is more like < 2-4% and bad ones <5-10%, otherwise they can not stay in business because no retailer will order from them. The above is purely from retail point of view. ¢Ï¢Ï¡G³o¬Opºâ¤è¦¡¤£¦Pªºì¦]¡A¾ÉP»Õ¤Uªº¼Æ¾Ú©M¤p§Ì©Òª¾ªº¼Æ¾Ú®t¶Z©Ò¦b¡ã¡ã¡ã ¢°¡C¥xÆWªººâªk¬O¡AAFTER SALE±µ³æ´Nºâ¡I ¢±¡CGood mobo RMA is more like < 2-4% ¤£¥i¯à©Ô¡ã ¦b²Õ¸Ë¦¨¥D¾÷®É¡A¥´¤U¨Óªººâ¤£ºâ¡H¡C¡C¡C·íµMnºâ¡I¡C¡C¡C¦b¤¤°ê³]²Õ¸Ë¼tªº¥x°Ó³£¦Ü¤Ö¦³¤@±ø«á²kªº¸É²kSTAND BYµÛ¡ã¡ã ¹s¥ó¥i¾a«×®t¡ã¡ã¯à°÷¡¨á¡¨¤@¦~¶Ü¡H ²k±µ«~½è®t¡A²Õ¦¨¥D¾÷«á¡C¡C¡C¦p¦ó¹Lªº¤F¹B°e´Á¶¡¡¨¾_°Ê´ú¸Õ¡¨¡H ¤¤°ê¼t°Ó¥æ³f¡A¦Ü¤Ö»Ýn¦h¹w¯d¢´¢Hªº¥æ³f¶q¬O«ç»ò¨Óªº¡H ¢²¡Cbad ones <5-10% |
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A big gap between our point of view. a. I am just a common user, you are in QC b. I am talking about retail packages c. I am in US, you are in Taiwan ( dont take it Remember this, some very influencial opinions off I dont even tie my shoes if I do not read enough |
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yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/12 00:58 A big gap between our point of view. a. I am just a common user, you are in QC ¢Ï¢Ï¡G¢Ü¢Ý¡I ¤p§Ì¥H«e¦b¢ß¢Ï¡ã²{¦b¦b¢Û¢Ô¢Õ¡ã¦Ó¥B¬O¦b¥b¾ÉÅé¼t¡A¨Ã«D¬O¨t²Î¼tªº¡ã ¤p§Ì·|¥xÆW¹q¤l·~¦³ÂI¤F¸Ñ¡A¤@¤è±¬O¦]¬°ªÑ²¼ªºÃö«Y¡ã¥t¤@¤è±¤p§Ì¹L¥h©Ò¾Ç´¿¸g¾Ç°Ó¤SÂà¤uªº¡ã¦A¥[¤W¦í·s¦Ë¡A¤£¤F¸Ñ¬O«ÜÃø¡ã b. I am talking about retail packages¡@( the store owner uses retail ones as well ),¡@you are referring to bulk volume users. Is it possible QC is better for amateur DIY users? c. I am in US, you are in Taiwan ( dont take it any more than just geographical difference ) Remember this, some very influencial opinions off Internet came from hardcore computer users who only buys retail components. I dont even tie my shoes if I do not read enough reviews. |
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>b. I am talking about retail packages >( the store owner uses retail ones as well ), >you are referring to bulk volume users. >Is it possible QC is better for amateur DIY users? If I were a manufacturer, I would have different Quality Let me put it this way. If you are to buy a shower set >Remember this, some very influencial opinions off Those hardcore users buy retail components to put >I dont even tie my shoes if I do not read enough just kidding! |
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yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/13 00:14 If I were a manufacturer, I would have different Quality Control for different target markets to cut cost. ( I think this is logical in business ) Common DIY users sometimes do not know what they are doing, and usually incur certain abuse. Assembly line workers ( including engineers ) are a lot more skillful with more experience to put these components together into computers.. ¢Ï¢Ï¡G¶â¡ã ¢Ð¡C¦Ó¨ÑMASS¥ÎªºBULK¡@PRODUCT ©MRETAIL PACKAGE PRODUCT ªº®t²§,´N¥u¦³¥]¸Ë¤è¦¡¸û²©ö¦Ó¦³¤£¦P¤F¡ã¡ã¡ã«~½è¤W¤£À³¸Ó¦³¥ô¦ó®t²§¡ã ¢±¡C«~ºÞ³æ¦ìªº¤uµ{®v·íµM·|¨Ì»sµ{©M²£«~¤£¦P¦Óµ¹¤©INSPECTOR¤£¦PªºSIP¥H¶i¦æÀËÅç¤F¡ã¡ã |
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Let me put it this way. If you are to buy a shower set for your DIY project in your bathroom, a missing screw will cause you painful experience. But a contractor would not care that much because he has a lot spare parts in his toolbox. ¢Ï¢Ï¡G ³oÓ¦n¹³©M²£«~³]pÅçÃÒ¡A«È¤án¨D¡A¬Æ¦Ü¬O°â«áªA°È¦³Ãö¤F¡ã¡ã SPARE PARTS À³¸Óµ¹¦h¤Ö¡A©Î¬O³£¤£µ¹¡C¡C¡C¬OÄݩ󲣫~³]p¡A«È¤á¦V¼t°Óq³f®É¡A¬Æ¦Ü¬O¢ß¢Ï DEPT. °µ²£«~³]pÅçÃҮɳ£À³¸Ón¦Ò¼{¨ìªº°ÝÃD¡ã¡ã¡ã ¦Ó¢ß¢Ñ DEPT.¬O¨S¦³»âÀYÃö«Yªº¡C¡C¡C |
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Those hardcore users buy retail components to put together their own computers. Any bad products will drive them crazy and they will write bad reviews and complaints on Internet. Because there are a lot of similar products available to choose in the market, these reviews are very decisive among new users. ¢Ï¢Ï¡G |
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lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/15 11:57 | |
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yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/15 23:12 | |
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>>Let me put it this way. If you are to buy a shower set for your DIY project >>in your bathroom, a missing screw will cause you painful experience. But a >>contractor would not care that much because he has a lot spare parts in his >>toolbox. >¢Ï¢Ï¡G >³oÓ¦n¹³©M²£«~³]pÅçÃÒ¡A«È¤án¨D¡A¬Æ¦Ü¬O°â«áªA°È¦³Ãö¤F¡ã¡ã >SPARE PARTS À³¸Óµ¹¦h¤Ö¡A©Î¬O³£¤£µ¹¡C¡C¡C¬OÄݩ󲣫~³]p¡A«È¤á¦V¼t°Óq³f®É¡A¬Æ¦Ü>>¬O¢ß¢Ï DEPT. °µ²£«~³]pÅçÃҮɳ£À³¸Ón¦Ò¼{¨ìªº°ÝÃD¡ã¡ã¡ã >¦Ó¢ß¢Ñ DEPT.¬O¨S¦³»âÀYÃö«Yªº¡C¡C¡C
ABIT mobos are commonly recognized as the best mobo for its quality and OC settings in recent years. If you spend a week reading everything from all the review sites and usergroup, ABIT will be your choice. Asus used to be in the same spot before it moved its manufacturing to China. I usually try to avoid buying core products made in China, but cheapies like sandals or socks you have no other choices. |
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/15 23:34 | |
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I have no idea what you talked about. What I meant spare parts are just all the remaining screws and bolts from all sorts of projects, not the orignal pars. You will know what I meant after you remodel a bathroom or two. ¢Ï¢Ï¡G ¤@¯ë²£«~³£À³¸Ó¬O¦³©w¶q¥]¸Ë¨ä²Õ¸Ë¹s¥ó¥]ªº¡C¡C¡C¡]´N¥HCOMPAQªº»sµ{«~ÃöºÞ²z¤è¦¡¦Ó¨¥¡A¥L̳£¬O¦b¥]¸Ë«eªº³Ì«á¤@¯¸ªº«~ºÞÀËÅ篸¡A¥Î¶q¯¯¨Ó½S«¡C¡C¡C³o¬O´¡ªáªº¹ê°È½g¡C¡C¡C³o¤]¬OQC³æ¦ì©Ò¯à°÷´£¨ÑÅv³dªA°È¶µ¥Ø¤F¡C¡C¡C¤]½Ð»Õ¤Uª`·N¡AQA©MQC¤u§@¤º®e©M©Ê½è¬O§¹¥þ¤£¦Pªº¡ã¡ã¡ã¢ß¢Ñ¤£«OÃÒ²£«~®ø¶OªÌªºÅv§Q¡A¤Î²£«~¦w¥þ©M³d¥ô°ÝÃD¡A¢ß¢Ï«o¬O¤£±o¦³µy¦³¤£ª`·Nªº¦a¤è¡C¡^ ¦b¤W±»Õ¤U´£¨ì¤@¯ë¢Ò¢×¢ç®ø¶OªÌ¡A·|¬°¤F¤Ö¤F¤@ÁûSCREW©ÎNUT¦Ó·Ð´o¤£¤w¡ã¡ã |
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/15 23:39 | |
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its quality and OC settings in recent years ¢Ï¢Ï¡G¢Ý¢Ñ¡×¢ß¢Ñ¡H |
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/15 23:43 | |
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You will know what I meant after you remodel a bathroom or two ¢Ï¢Ï¡G¤p§Ì·Q¨S¦³²£«~³]pªÌ·|¦Ò¼{¨ì³oÂI¤K¡ã¡ã ºÉ¶q¨Ï¥Î°ê»Ú¼Ð·Ç¹s²Õ¥ó©M¤ª÷¹s¥ó¡Aµ´¹ï¬O²£«~³]pªÌ·í¦Ò¼{ªº¡A¤£¬O¶Ü¡H ¦Ó¥B²£«~¹s¥ó¦@¥Î©Ê¦h¡A»s³y¼t°Ó³ÆÁʧ÷®Æ¦¨¥»´N·|°§Cªº¡ã¡ã |
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/15 23:45 | |
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If you spend a week reading everything from all the review sites and usergroup, ABIT will be your choice. Asus used to be in the same spot before it moved its manufacturing to China. I usually try to avoid buying core products made in China, but cheapies like sandals or socks you have no other choices. ¦P·N¤jôªº·Qªk¡ã¡ã¶â¶â |
ŪŪ¼Ö ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/16 00:00 | |
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yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/16 02:22 | |
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OC ~ overclock remodelling bathroom ~ Shower set, facet, tiles, grout, vent, toilet, countertop, |
lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/16 17:23 | |
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lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 11:38 | |
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yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 22:12 | |
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CRT or CDRW/DVD are considered low-end computer peripherals, I would not be so choosy. Viewsonic CRT was my favorite before I switched to |
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 09:09 | |
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In case one day all the computer manufacturers move to China, I would give up building computers myself and buy from DELL. This way, at least I still have DELL to count on |
lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 09:30 | |
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to yamyam90 one of my classmate now works in dells assembly factory in china before that he was in Benq(Acer CM) he said dells Quality Control is just soso no better than Benq.... |
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 21:56 | |
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To Lazycat.com Obviously you do not understand Dell. With the help of good support to sell You are right, In the assembly factory in China |
lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 12:52 | |
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no,in that very factory.QC not by chinese ,but by an Indian |
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/23 04:26 | |
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To Lazycat.com, Are you telling me DELL QC is only a one-person team Maybe I am not familiar with hardware manufacturing. BTW, why do they use an Indian instead of some Chinese |
yamyam90 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/29 00:23 | |
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Lazycat.com, Any word for my above questions? |
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