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No, it should not be wasted in any sense of the word!
Based on the tone in your posts, I sensed that you have better ways to hasten the fruition of ¥xÆW¨«¥X¥h. Please reveal to the poor witless Taiwanese some tricks up your sleeves. You know perfectly well that sour gripes in your posts will not accomplish much, if anything. This is a good chance to show us two or three brushes you have.


NO:1510_18
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NO:1510_19
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©ÇÀs ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/24 21:59
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©ÇÀsis not in power to frame any strategy against China, but, as a civilian, to tell the fact that people are entitled to.

NO:1510_21
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NO:1510_23
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©ÇÀs, you said,
©ÇÀsis not in power to frame any strategy against China, but, as a civilian, to tell the fact that people are entitled to.

I have some bones to pick with your saying. 1. you are using the excuse of not in power to evade my request of giving ome better tricks than the current policy. But of course you are entitled to your satisfication in your own gripes. However, I still do not see any FACT regarding Dr. Lees mission in the APEC that you found to be so worrisome. Facts!
If my memory serves me right, the other Dr. Lee (T.H. Lee) also proclaimed officially several times earlier ¦Û»{¬O¤¤°ê¤H. I do not see any body uses that to hammer that Dr. Lee.
How many great men you think there in the world are of the same rank as B.B. Russel? But even he, is not above blemishes nor perfect. I am surprised that you think so highly of Dr. Y.T. Lee to use Russel as a yardstick. How many intellectual you think in the world can pass that bar?
Let us use A.Sakhorov
as an example. Was he not greater because of his later repudiation of his earlier awesome achievement?


NO:1510_24
simon ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/24 23:38
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NO:1510_25
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I agree with this assessment. But this should not divert from the fact that there is nothing he did or does or is going to do in the APEC warrants the criticisms on this thread.

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I think you placed too much in those diplomatic languages. What really counts is in the details!


NO:1510_26
©ÇÀs ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/25 22:03
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Can I also urge you not divert from the issue put up here? Since you ask Simon to do so.

©ÇÀs is not interested in all that Y.T. Lee did or does or is going to do in the APEC, but only in the respect of ¡§Y.T. Lee¡¦s urging Taiwanese to believe in ¤¤µØ¥Á°ê¡¨. Please stick to this issue.

The story of B.B. Russell is simply to demonstrate how an intellectual abides by his belief. Words and deed have to come together. Please read my words carefully. My mentioning Russell does not mean I ¡§think so highly of Dr. Y.T. Lee. To the contrary, I despise of him.

>> However, I still do not see any FACT regarding Dr. Lees mission in the APEC that you found to be so worrisome.


You do not see any FACT???
I have stated the fact that Lee have done in past two years with respect to the issue of Lee¡¦s belief in ¤¤µØ¥Á°ê. (»·­õ¥D«ù¸óÄÒ¬£¤p²Õ|)
Lee SHALL deserve criticism and SHOULD take responsibility if giving up ¤¤µØ¥Á°ê in APEC.
©ÇÀs is holding Lee accountable.


NO:1510_27
©ÇÀs ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/25 22:05
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NO:1510_28
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©ÇÀs, you said,
©ÇÀs is not interested in all that Y.T. Lee did or does or is going to do in the APEC, but only in the respect of ¡§Y.T. Lee¡¦s urging Taiwanese to believe in ¤¤µØ¥Á°ê¡¨. Please stick to this issue.

Please read your own words carefully. If you do not care what he did, or does, or is going to do in the APEC, how could you evaluate what you started to accomplish? It is indeed apposite for you to use the handle if this is the attitude you hold when judging any body.
I am not defending Y. T. Lee, (and he certainly does not need my service). I am trying to establish an objective basis for criticizing any public figures, namely based on their deeds.
As to the dispute about °í«ù¤¤µØ¥Á°ê, I already alluded to the other Dr. Lee, who is viewed as almost a perfect saint among some friends in this forum in spite of the tracks left behind previously.


NO:1510_29
©ÇÀs ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/26 21:57
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>>Please read your own words carefully. If you do not care what he did, or does, or is going to do in the APEC, how could you evaluate what you started to accomplish? It is indeed apposite for you to use the handle if this is the attitude you hold when judging any body.

©ÇÀsµª:
You do not need to examine all facts but that relating to Chemistry if studying chemical attributes of the liquid in a bottle. The other Dr. Lee, who is viewed as almost a perfect saint among some friends, IS NOT AT ISSUE HERE.

What ©ÇÀs is doing here is exactly setting up ¡§an objective basis¡¨ to check ¡§something¡¨. Yet, You have no objective basis unless you have a point, or a perspective if you like. [Lee¡¦s belief in ¤¤µØ¥Á°ê. (§õ»·­õ¥D«ù¸óÄÒ¬£¤p²Õ)] is the point, as well as the objective basis, put up here.


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The brouhaha caused by the United Evening News demonstrates the danger of jumping into conclusion based on hearsay or erroneous fact. Some people on this forum should be ashamed of their pile-on yesterday.

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