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I am not saying the new generation of ¥~¬Ù¤H are born with the original sin. They are not to be blamed for the crimes committed by their fathers. But this does not mean that we should whitewash the crimes of their fathers.
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Correction:
Let us also be very clear that it was this particular group who used martial law to loard over other ethnic groups. Should read,
Let us also be very clear that it was this particular group who used martial law to lord over other ethnic groups.
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yl ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/19 03:44
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Yes, it sounds very nice to say this. But it is very apparent that you do not spell out what you meant by «q°ê, and ½æ¥x. For some Chinese in Taiwan, it is exactly the concept of °ê that is in suspicion and this results in the question of ½æ¥x. Did you not see Lien Zhan, Soong Chu Yu, Zhang Xiau Yan? Fong Fu Xiang? Zhu Gau Zheng? and Rao Ying Qi who are ranting one China consensus?
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You are good at hair splitting from your post I so deduced.


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It is a great leap in equating ¥xÆW¥Á±Ú¥D¸q©Î¥Á±Ú·NÃÑ with ¥xÆWªk¦è´µ¥D¸qªº±Ú¸s. But I do know that there was one ¥xÆWªk¦è´µ¥D¸qªº±Ú¸s, the Chinese in Taiwan. Dont you agree? You sound like you were biten once by the baseless (at least in Taiwan) Chinese Nationalism, and now you are afraid all you life of any nationalism! You worry too much, in my opinion.

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How can you group all the ¥~¬Ù¤H into one ethnic group vis-a-vis the ¥»¬Ù¤H?
There were numerous ¥~¬Ù¤H who were persecuted under the KMT regime; ¹p¾_,¬f¶§,§õ±Î, just to name a few. Clearly, the martial law was never aimed at a particular ethnic group. Besides, what about all those ¥»¬Ù¤H who were part of and collabarated with the KMT regime to lord over their own people in all those years? Like, §õµn½÷ himself. Are you suggesting that these peoples crimes can be whitewashed while the ¥~¬Ù¤Hs cant?


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NO:1468_69
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NO:1468_70
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Sniper:

Was it not a fact that the KMT system originally 99% made of ¥~¬Ù¤H? As time went by it enlarged its constituents. Is it not a commonly accepted fact that Taiwan has four major (ethnic groups)? Your attempt to split hair is futile. Is it not a fact that in the last election in Taipei, the particular ethnic group voted mostly as a group for a member of it? What made them behave that way? Yes, there has been some members from that group who took part and contributed in the democratization process. And I respected them. But one should not blind oneself to the fact that they are mostly exception in that ethnic group and were mostly treated as traitor in that group!
Yes, there were some ¥»¬Ù¤H served as accomplice in the KMT regime. Yes, the truth should come out. But your posts so far only show your attempt to whitewash the crimes by hiding behind the false accusation of ethnic persecution of the part of ¥»¬Ù¤H.
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NO:1468_71
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NO:1468_73
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Was it not a creation of the great Chinese culture? The practice of Zhu Lien Jiou Zhu was written some thousand years ago. Thank you very much, we do not need that Chinese crap, we are trying very much to de-sinification.


NO:1468_74
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Correction:
Thank you very much, we do not need that Chinese crap, we are trying very much to de-sinification. Should read:
Thank you very much, we do not need that Chinese crap, we are trying very hard to de-sinify.

NO:1468_75
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