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NO:1294_5
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NO:1294_6
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NO:1294_7
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NO:1294_8
SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/02 18:42
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I think such rude things should stop now, even though I hate Tung too. Article 23 is necessary, but absolutely not in that(government) way!

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can you provide link about that? I have only read the news about 50% HK people consider themselves as Hong Kong-ers/nese(choose one you like) instead of Chinese/PRC citizens

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we always have such actions, but HK people wont go demonostration unless its really harm them much. Since the government has purposely try let people not to think on the inside terms, the probability of a large demonostration maybe small...

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Article 23 has still not yet developed yet, but may affect HK people now if it can rule cases before it set up...and the government is proposing...


NO:1294_9
perceval ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/02 19:06
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NO:1294_10
SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/02 19:09
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NO:1294_11
XXX ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/02 23:36
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NO:1294_12
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NO:1294_13
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NO:1294_14
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NO:1294_15
TN ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/03 13:16
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NO:1294_16
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NO:1294_17
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NO:1294_18
SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/03 18:41
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the reason for more unemployed people isnt related to the factories moving. Most of the factories has moved away in early 90s, but at that time the unemployment rate was still small...


NO:1294_19
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NO:1294_20
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NO:1294_21
TN ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/04 09:25
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the reason for more unemployed people isnt related to the factories moving. Most of the factories has moved away in early 90s, but at that time the unemployment rate was still small...

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NO:1294_22
PLD ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/04 13:58
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NO:1294_41
HK Jin ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/04 23:00
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HK can stand until 2047, I think.

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XXX ,­»´ä¤H,

Although the price level in the Pearl River Delta is higher than the inland provinces, it is still signifcantly lower than that in HongKong. As HKs economy further integrates into Chinese economy, there will be gainers and losers. The gainers are those who make living off capital, for example, people like LKS. Meanwhile, average wage earners will lose in this process. They will have to match the price of their counterparts across the Shenzhen Creek. Of course, those who have skills widely sought will benefit as well, but they are limited in number. As long as HK remains a free economy, this is unavoidable, no matter who becomes the Chief Executive. HKs problem is fundamental. There is no political solution for it.


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alwen ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/07 00:47
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I have no intention to brainwash anybody, and I am incapable of doing so.
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Care to elaborate more? 200 years is a very long time. Nobody would have anticipated the fall of the British Empire and the rise of the United States 200 years ago. 200 years from today, the world would be a very different place.
Politics is important, but its not everything.


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¡§The Special Committee adopted a recommendation, embodied in its report to the General Assembly, that Hong Kong and Macao and dependencies be excluded from the list of territories to which the Declaration on the granting of independence was applicable. The decision was taken without objection. It being understood that the reservation expressed by Fiji, Sweden and Venezuela would be reflected in the record of the meeting. The
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