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To: Taipei Student ¡@NO:594_78 Please go back to school!!!
>>> Thats true --- Taipei City should blame »O¥_¿¤ for ¨º²ú¤j²T¤ô
>>> Thats probably true ( I havent verified that)--- That maight be because there was $$$ commitment from ¸gÀÙ³¡ but it turned out to be ANOTHER flip-flop (or conspiracy) from Abian!!!
>>> Thats true --- but whats your point? Can »O¥_¿¤ do it in 3 years? Has »O¥_¿¤ done ANYTHING in the last 10 years? ¹L¥h¤T¦~¥L¦b·F¬Æ»ò¡H >>> Mayer Ma already spent 10+ billions ( 10,000 millions) on °ò¶©ªe¾ãªv in the last couple years, more that what Abian spent in 4 years (6+ billions)
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ftk ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 13:03 | |
To: Taipei Student ¡@ | |
So, can you answer or try to answer the question: there was $$$ (albeit verbal) commitment from ¸gÀÙ³¡ but it turned out to be ANOTHER flip-flop (or conspiracy) from Abian? At least ¸gÀÙ³¡ should explain why that happened. Dont you think so? |
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 13:04 | |
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«¢§B ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 13:30 | |
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pico ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:16 | |
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Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:21 | |
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§A½èºÃ°¨¥«©²¤£°÷«µø¤ôªº°ÝÃD¡A¦ý¬O¥L¨ì¤µ¤Ñ¬°¤î¤w¸g½s¤F108»õ¤¸ªv¤ô¡C §AÀ³¸Ó°Ý°Ý¡G¬°¤°»ò°¨^¤E¤w¸g½s¤F¢°¢¯¢·»õ¨Óªv¤ô, but still ¥h¦~¨º²ú¤j²T¤ô? Where the money goes ??? °¨¥«©² is wasting our money. So the problem is not who ½s¤F much more money but who can handle it well. |
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:23 | |
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Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:29 | |
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I am curious: not to mention «¢§Bs ÂI 1, does ©ú´µ¯S agree or not on «¢§Bs ÂI 2 and 3. |
Taipei Student ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:37 | |
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ftk ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:51 | |
To: Ming NO:594_102 | |
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©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:52 | |
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Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 15:06 | |
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......You be the judge for ¯Ç²ú»ä·¤j²T¤ô Well, if your judgement depends on this short report (part of report from ºÊ°|ªÈ¥¿), no wonder you will say that. |
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 15:17 | |
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Give you another report. Be a judge fair. (the report you used is for ³fÂd°ô¶ë°ò¶©ªe, Not for ³y¦¨¥x¥_¥«ºëµØ°Ï¨L¬v¤@¤ù,¨Ã«³Ð¥x¥_±¶¹B¨t²Î¡A·l¥¢ºG«¡A....etc)
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Taipei Student ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 15:36 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
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ftk ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 16:08 | |
To: Ming NO:594_109 & Taipei Student ¡@NO:594_110 | |
Sure, ºÊ¹î°| definitely have hind-sight 20/20 regarding ¤H¦æ¹D¤ôªd¤Æ¤uµ{, ±¶¹B§½¿ìªO«n½u©¾§µ´_¿³¯¸¢ç«¬³q·¤«¹jÀð¤uµ{ and ±¶¹B§½¡B¥x¥_±¶¹B¤½¥q¾î¦VÁpô¤Î¤uµ{¤¶±¾ã¦X¤£¨¬, etc. But dont you agree that the ROOT of the flood problem came from ¥æ³q³¡°ê¤u§½¥N¿ì¥x¥_¥«¤j§|·Ë³ö¨¾¦@ºc¤uµ{¡A¤uµ{¶i«×¤@¦A©µÌX, ¥B©ó¯Ç²ú»ä·¨Óŧ®É¡A¥¼¨Ì¡u¨¾¦Äºò«æÀ³Åܮѡv±NÁ{®É¨¾¬x«ÊÂê½u°ïÅ|¦Üpµe°ªµ{¡AP°ò¶©ªe¬x¤ô¥Ñ¦¹¯Ê¤f·¸³ö¡A¦¨¬°¬x¥Æ±¶®|¤§¤@ and ³fÂd¸¨¦Ü°ò¶©ªe...¥x¥_¿¤¬F©²¨Ã¥¼µ½ºÉªe¨¾¦w¥þºÞ²z¤§³d? The news title <¯Ç²ú·¨a ºÊ°|ªÈ¥¿¥«©²> was NOT that fair as you claimed. Although it seems that ¥x¥_¥« should be responsible for 50% of the damage, the degree of errors ¥æ³q³¡ and ¥x¥_¿¤¬F©² committed is far more serious and is the main causes for the damages.
By the way, will you blame yourself for not being more careful when hit by a drunken driver? |
ftk ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 16:15 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
Let ©ú´µ¯S and «¢§B slug it out Im retiring. |
pico ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 16:27 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
To Taipei Student, §Ú¬OÁ|¨Ò¡A¤£¬O°Q½× OK? ¦A»¡¡AªO³W¤Q±ø¡Aþ¤@±ø»¡¤£¯à°Q½×°ê®a¥DÅv¡C°ÝÃD¬O¬O§_ |
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 16:39 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
To ftk: Why you ignore the first paragraph (the most important one) and emphasize the second one? >>>>But dont you agree that the ROOT of the flood problem came from ¥æ³q³¡°ê¤u§½¥N¿ì¥x¥_¥«¤j§|·Ë³ö¨¾¦@ºc¤uµ{¡A¤uµ{¶i«×¤@¦A©µÌX, ¥B©ó¯Ç²ú»ä·¨Óŧ®É¡A¥¼¨Ì¡u¨¾¦Äºò«æÀ³Åܮѡv±NÁ{®É¨¾¬x«ÊÂê½u°ïÅ|¦Üpµe°ªµ{¡AP°ò¶©ªe¬x¤ô¥Ñ¦¹¯Ê¤f·¸³ö¡A¦¨¬°¬x¥Æ±¶®|¤§¤@ and ³fÂd¸¨¦Ü°ò¶©ªe...¥x¥_¿¤¬F©²¨Ã¥¼µ½ºÉªe¨¾¦w¥þºÞ²z¤§³d? |
pico ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 16:43 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
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Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 16:57 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
>>>>>>¤µ¤Ñ§A«¢§B¤S¶]¨Ó»¡§A©Ò»¡ªº¬O¥x¥_¥«¥ý«e´£®×¼W¦C¹wºâ«D¦®°Ê¥Î²Ä¤G¹w³Æª÷ «õ«¨~~~ ------------ I do not see any problem with «¢§Bs argument Point 1. ¥ßªk°|¥i¥Hn¨D¦æ¬F°|¼W¸É19.8»õ¤¸¹wºâ¶Ü¡H Instead, ©ú´µ¯S was talking ¥ý¦æ°Ê¥Î¦¤w½s«¨¤§²Ä¤G¹w³Æª÷¦ó¨Ó¹HI¾Ëªk²Ä70±ø and this was totally Strawman Attacks. Because, First, °ê¡B¿Ën¨D±N¥x¥_¥«¬F©²©Ò´£¾ãªv¸g¶O¯Ç¤J°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¯S§O¹wºâ¡A¾D¦æ¬F°|ÄYµü©Úµ´¡C Second, After ¾D¦æ¬F°|ÄYµü©Úµ´, then °ê¡B¿Ë Change their strategy to propose °Ê¥Î¦¤w½s«¨¤§²Ä¤G¹w³Æª÷ So before 7/16 ¥I©e, °ê¡B¿Ë all talking ·í®É°¨¥«©²¬On¨D§â19.8»õ¡u¯Ç¤J¡v¡u¯S§O¹wºâ¡v¡A «¢§Bs statement is correct.
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©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 16:59 | |
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©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:06 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
¥ßªk°|¦³§@¦¨¨Mijn¨D¦æ¬F°|¹ï©ó316»õªº¹wºâ°l¥[¥t¥~ªº¤Q¦h»õ¶Ü? ¦pªG¨S¦³ ¦ó¨Ó¯A¤Î¾Ëªk²Ä70±ø ¤µ¤Ñ¦pªG¦³§@¦¨¸Ó¨Mij n¨D¦æ¬F°| °l¥[ §ÚµL¸Ü¥i»¡ ¦ý¬O¥i¥HÒÎ©ó¨Æ¹ê½×z¶Ü?? °ê¿Ë¨âÄÒªº¦æ¬°¥u¬O¬Fªv¦æ¬° ©|¥¼¹F¾Ëªk¼h¦¸ °£«D¥ßªk°|§@¦¨°l¥[¹wºâªº¨Mij §_«h¾Ëªk¤]µLÅv¤z¯A³o¼Ëªº¬Fªv¦æ¬° ¥t¥~ nÁ¿ªº¸Ü ½Ð´N¹wºâ¦æ¬F»¡®Ú¹wºâªk«ß»¡§@½×z°Õ |
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:14 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
>>>¹ï©óÄÀ¦r²Ä391¸¹ªº¤£¦P·N¨£®Ñ Ó¤H»{¬°¬Æ¨ã°Ñ¦Ò»ùÈ Ó¤H§ó¥H¬°¹wºâÄÝ©óªk«ß»¡¦Ó«D¦æ¬F¦æ¬° Thats your point of view. Do you need to insult «¢§B without ¾Ç³N¨}¤ß¶Ü??? What kind of attitube you are?
As I said, before 7/16, °ê¡B¿Ë all talking ·í®É°¨¥«©²¬On¨D§â19.8»õ¡u¯Ç¤J¡v¡u¯S§O¹wºâ¡v¡Anot to mention n¨D°Ê¥Î¹w³Æª÷. You definitely did the Strawman Attacks. |
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:16 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
«¢§B µ¥§A½×zªº¥\¤O¹F¨ìĬ«T¶¯¸ò¼BÅK¿þªºµ{«× ¤~¨Ó¸ò§ÚÁ¿µ{«×°Õ §Ú»¡§Úµ{«×¤£¦p§A ¤£¥Nªí§Ú¦b¾Ëªk²Ä70±ø ¤W¥²¶·¹ï§A§@¥X·¥¬°±À±RªººA«× §Y¨Ï§Aµ{«×¯uªº¦n ¸ò¨º¨Ç¤j¦r½ú¤ñ §Ú·|ºÙÆg§Aªº¤å³¹??? °£«D§Ú±q¨Ó¤£Ãö¤ß¤jªk©xªº¸ÑÄÀ¤å!! |
Taipei Student ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:21 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
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©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:21 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
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Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:23 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
>>>>¥ßªk°|¦³§@¦¨¨Mijn¨D¦æ¬F°|¹ï©ó316»õªº¹wºâ°l¥[¥t¥~ªº¤Q¦h»õ¶Ü? ¨S¦³, But before 7/16 (a day before ¨Mij, and the date that «¢§Bs article appeared), °ê¡B¿Ë all talking about ·í®É°¨¥«©²¬On¨D§â19.8»õ¡u¯Ç¤J¡v¡u¯S§O¹wºâ¡v¡Anot to mention n¨D°Ê¥Î¹w³Æª÷.
Its you who did the strawman attack. Please check what °ê¡B¿Ë and °¨¥«©² have said before 7/16. |
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:26 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
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©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:28 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
©ú´µ¯S¤£·Q¥´¤f¤ô°Õ nªº¸Ü´N¹wºâªº©Ê½è½Í ¤×¨ä¬OÃö©ó¹wºâªk«ß»¡»P¹wºâ¦æ¬F»¡ªº°ÝÃD ¦Ü©ó¥»®×®É¶¡©Êªº°ÝÃD n«DÄÝ«n! |
¥xÆW¥[ªo ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:36 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
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©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:39 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
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Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:40 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
>>>>¦Ü©ó¥»®×®É¶¡©Êªº°ÝÃD n«DÄÝ«n! What are you talking about? It was you who misinterpretted «¢§Bs point first. Do you know what is strawman attacks. ¤j¤@¥Í should know it already. If not, please go to check some books.
Ming ¤£·Q¥´¤f¤ô°Õ either. But your attitube was really not good. |
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:42 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
It is really disgusting. ©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:39 ³oºØºô¸ô¤âªkÁÙª±¤£¿°³á?? |
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:44 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
«õù«¨~~~~ §Ú¬Ý§A^¤å¤]¬O°÷®tªº ³oºØn¤¤¤£¤¤n^¤£^ ½Ð¤£n¦Apo ¦Ü©ó§A½Í¤£¥X¥ô¦óªF¦è §Ú¤]¤£©Ç§A ¨ì«ØÄ³§A¸É^¤å ¤£n®ö¶O®É¶¡¦bºô¸ô §ÚªÖ¸ò§A¹ï¸Ü ¬O½àÀÀÓ±¤l ¤£µM¸ò§A§èªF§è¦è ¤]¨S¦³¥ô¦ó¦¬Ã¬ «¢«¢«¢«¢~~~ |
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:47 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
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Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:52 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
Sorry about ¤¤¤£¤¤n^¤£^, I am unable to type Chinese characters (English OS, no chinese software) >>>>>§Ú¬Ý§A^¤å¤]¬O°÷®tªº Well, at least, I am a Ph. D. in the top ten US university. What about you?? |
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:54 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
¦³°Õ ªk«ß¦³¦bÁ¿chinese°Õ ©Ò¥H¦³¤H»¡³¯·O¶§ªºchinese«ÜÁV¿| «¢«¢«¢«¢~~~ |
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 18:01 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
Ha, Talking about §õ±Î. I know him very well (in person). I have read almost his books. I even have collected all - one hundred something of his series of critic (published in 80s, most of them were banned). Even §õ±Î missed 2 volumes. So now I know you must be a freshman. Believe me, You will grow up some times. |
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 18:06 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
>>>>>§A¾Ì¤°»òn¨D¤@Ó¤HªººA«×?? >>>>>>§A¦³Ô£¸ê®æn¨D¤@Ó¤HªººA«×?? I have never n¨DyourºA«×. I just pointed out that your ºA«× is very bad, Thats it. |
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 18:13 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
>>>>>¦Ü©ó§A»¡ªººA«×°ÝÃD §õ±Îªº®Ñ¤¤¦³½Í¨ì°Õ >>>>>«ØÄ³§A¬Ý¬Ý°Õ Well, what the most important in §õ±Î argument is that it is not the ºA«× but the truth which matters. You can not even stand for your argument in above discussion. That is what I concerned. Please, do not misinterpret §õ±Îs argument, OK. |
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 18:20 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
¿ù!! ¨Æ¹ê(¯u²z) ¸òºA«×§õ±Î³£¦³½×z¨ì ¤S ¥Lªº«ÂI¬O:n¨DºA«×¬O¥i¯ºªº ¤£¬O¶È´N¯u²z³¡¤À½×z §AÀ´¤£À´ªü ¤£À´¸ËÀ´¯u¥i¼¦~~~` «¢«¢«¢«¢~~~ |
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 18:36 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
>>>¿ù!! >>>¨Æ¹ê(¯u²z) ¸òºA«×§õ±Î³£¦³½×z¨ì >>>¤S ¥Lªº«ÂI¬O:n¨DºA«×¬O¥i¯ºªº
what the most important in §õ±Î argument is that it is not the ºA«× but the truth which matters. Yes, ¨Æ¹ê(¯u²z) ¸òºA«×§õ±Î³£¦³½×z¨ì §õ±Î has never asked his readers to have bad attitube. He might be said n¨DºA«×¬O¥i¯º, but the «ÂI¬O ¨Æ¹ê(¯u²z). if you do not have ¨Æ¹ê(¯u²z) on your side, a good attitube is not helpful. You totally misunderstand his point. |
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 18:41 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
>>>§AÀ´¤£À´ªü >>>¤£À´¸ËÀ´¯u¥i¼¦~~~` >>>«¢«¢«¢«¢~~~ Be behave. Even §õ±Î will not use these lously terms. It only let people despise you. |
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 20:09 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
Ming~~~¤£n¦Û¥´¼L¤Ú¤F~~~ |
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 20:18 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
¦b½Í¨ìÃö©ó§A»¡ªº: what the most important in §õ±Î argument is that it is not the ºA«× but the truth which matters. Yes, ¨Æ¹ê(¯u²z) ¸òºA«×§õ±Î³£¦³½×z¨ì ³oºØ¬N©ó¨Æ¹êªºÁ¿ªk ¯uÅý¤HµLªk§Ô¨ü ¤S¬Ý¨ì¤@Ó¬N©ó¨Æ¹êÁ¿¸Üªº¤H °£«D§Ú̬ݧõ±Îªº®Ñ¬O¤£¦Pªº¨â¥»®Ñ |
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 20:32 | |
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©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 20:44 | |
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pico ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 23:58 | |
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Taipei Student ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 00:16 | |
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Ã˰¨ ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 00:40 | |
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Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 04:28 | |
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>>>>>>>¤£¹L ¯u¥¿¹ï§õ±Î½Í¸Ü»~¸Ñªº ¬O§A ¤£¬O§Ú >>>>>>>¯u¥¿©Ò¿×«nªº ¤£¬O¯u²z ¤]¤£¬OºA«× ¦Ó¬OºA«×ªº¦Û¥Ñ Be careful on the context when you read §õ±Îs topic on ºA«×ªº¦Û¥Ñ. What §õ±Î pointed out is something such as free of fear when you do critic. He is not to ask you to behave badly to insult others, especially when you are indeed based on wrongful statement. In addition, I have never n¨DyourºA«×. I just pointed out that your ºA«× is very bad, Thats it. So, ¯u¥¿¹ï§õ±Î½Í¸Ü»~¸Ñªº ¬O§A ¤£¬O§Ú
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¬O¹wºâªk«ß»¡ ÁÙ¬O ¹wºâ¦æ¬F»¡? ¤jªk©x¦bÄÀ¦r391¸¹¤¤ ¸ÑÄÀ¤åalready±Ä¦æ¬F¦æ¬°»¡. This is a consensus. If you disagree, then it is your problem. Such as killing is a crime in our society. It is a consensus. If you disagree, and ask for your freedom to kill others, then it is your problem. Now, do not ¼o¸Ü¤@°ï, answer my question: As I said, before 7/16 (a day before ¨Mij, and the date that «¢§Bs article appeared), °ê¡B¿Ë all talking about ·í®É°¨¥«©²¬On¨D§â19.8»õ¡u¯Ç¤J¡v¡u¯S§O¹wºâ¡v¡Anot to mention n¨D°Ê¥Î¹w³Æª÷. And that was exactly what «¢§Bs article based on. After ¾D¦æ¬F°|ÄYµü©Úµ´, then °ê¡B¿Ë (they all knew it is against ¾Ëªk70±ø) change their strategy to propose °Ê¥Î¦¤w½s«¨¤§²Ä¤G¹w³Æª÷. So It is you who did the strawman attacks on «¢§Bs article. It is you who are ¤@Ó¬N©ó¨Æ¹êÁ¿¸Üªº¤H. (Please check what °ê¡B¿Ë and °¨¥«©² have said before 7/16.) How can you say «¢§B ¬N©ó¨Æ¹ê,¨S¾Ç³N¨}¤ß? Is it really the ºA«×ªº¦Û¥Ñ?? |
FUCKYOU ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 06:26 | |
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©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 10:06 | |
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©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 10:30 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
you have never asked my attitude??? As I said that it is your point of view, Not the majority ·N¨£ of ¤jªk©x. ³Ü~~~~~~~~~~ <¬O¹wºâªk«ß»¡ ÁÙ¬O ¹wºâ¦æ¬F»¡? ¤jªk©x¦bÄÀ¦r391¸¹¤¤ ¸ÑÄÀ¤åalready±Ä¦æ¬F¦æ¬°»¡. This is a consensus. If you disagree, then it is your problem. Such as killing is a crime in our society. It is a consensus. If you disagree, and ask for your freedom to kill others, then it is your problem. Now, do not ¼o¸Ü¤@°ï, answer my question:> ³o¼Ëªº½×z¬O¤£²Å¥»¤Hªº»Ý¨Dªº §Úª½±µ§i¶D§A: §A®Ú¥»¤£À´¾Ëªk²Ä70±øÁY¸ÑÄÀªº¥²n³Â How can you say «¢§B ¬N©ó¨Æ¹ê,¨S¾Ç³N¨}¤ß? Is it really the ºA«×ªº¦Û¥Ñ?? ¤Ñ¥~«D¨Ó¤@µ§? ps:no the wordattitube yesattribute what do you mean? |
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 10:45 | |
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Taipei Student ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 11:04 | |
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H | |
ÁÙ¬O°Û³o¤TÂI¡G 1. ¥x¥_¿¤ªº³ö¨¾¤£»\°ª¡A¥x¥_¥«ªº»\¦A°ª¤ô¤@¼Ë²Tº¡¥x¥_¥«¡A©Ò¥H±Ï¥_¿¤´N¬O±Ï¥x¥_¥«¦Û¤v¡I°¨¥«©²n¦A¥[°ª¥_¥«³ö¨¾¥u¬O¡y¨x¦³¯f¡A±eÂå«o¥s§A¦YGÃÄ¡A½ß¤F¿ú¤S¥á¤F©R¡I¡z 2. °¨^¤E¬O¦b¥h¦~¨º²ú¤j²T¤ô¤§«á¤~½s¦C¥|¤Q´X»õ««Ø¤H¦æ¹Dªº¡A¦P®É«o¨S½s¦C¨º19.8»õ©Ò¿×ªº±Ï©R¿v³ö¿ú¡F¬O°¨^¤E¤£§â¥x¥_¥«¥Áªº©R©ñ¦b²´ùتº¡I 3. ¦æ¬F°|´Nºâ¤µ¤Ñ§â¿ú±·¨ì°¨^¤E®a¡A°¨^¤E¤]¨Ó¤£¤Î¦b»ä·©u«e§âp¹º°õ¦æ§¹§r¡I¹L¥h¤T¦~¥L¦b·F¬Æ»ò¡H²{¦b¹G«æ¤F¤~±À³d¥ô¡I |
FUCKYOU ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 11:51 | |
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Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 12:48 | |
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To ©ú´µ¯S: What I have talked about truth and attitude was related to §õ±Îs ½×zºA«×ªº¦Û¥Ñ. Well, as you said, ¦Ü©ó§Anªº¯u²z ªk«ß¤£Á¿¯u²z ¦bªk«ß¸Ì þ¨Óªº¯u²z?? >>>>>>.³Ü~~~~~~~~~~ I have never said that majority represents truth (you mess it up again). I just mentioned that it is a consensus (I doubt that you know the difference between truth and consensus). Since the majority of ¤jªk©x thought it that way. Our society have to obey it. Or why do we need ¤jªk©x committee. You could disagree with it, but it is how our society function under law. As I said, you could argue with your freedom of killing and actually do it, but it commits a crime in our society. You prefer ¤£¦P·N¨£®Ñ¤jªk©x Ĭ«T¶¯ ¼BÅK¿þ. As I said it is your point of view only. What is ¯u²z¦b³o?? Even Ĭ«T¶¯ ¼BÅK¿þ have only said: ¦ü¦³«Ý°Óºe. (If you want to discuss it , clarify the rights of ¥ßªk°| and ¦æ¬F°| first. and tell me who decide °ê¥Á°l¨D§Q¯qªº Who on earth is ¦Û§@Áo©ú? You messes up so many questions. You ability on comprehension and logic is really lousy. I doubt that you can do advanced discussion at all.
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Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 13:20 | |
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Claude ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 13:30 | |
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©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 19:55 | |
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©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 20:05 | |
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