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ftk ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 07:45
To: Taipei Student ¡@NO:594_78

To: Taipei Student ¡@NO:594_78

Please go back to school!!!


1. ¥x¥_¿¤ªº³ö¨¾¤£»\°ª¡A¥x¥_¥«ªº»\¦A°ª¤ô¤@¼Ë²Tº¡¥x¥_¥«¡A©Ò¥H±Ï¥_¿¤´N¬O±Ï¥x¥_¥«¦Û¤v¡I°¨¥«©²­n¦A¥[°ª¥_¥«³ö¨¾¥u¬O¡y¨x¦³¯f¡A±eÂå«o¥s§A¦Y­GÃÄ¡A½ß¤F¿ú¤S¥á¤F©R¡I¡z

>>> Thats true --- Taipei City should blame »O¥_¿¤ for ¨º²ú¤j²T¤ô


2. °¨­^¤E¬O¦b¥h¦~¨º²ú¤j²T¤ô¤§«á¤~½s¦C¥|¤Q´X»õ­««Ø¤H¦æ¹Dªº¡A¦P®É«o¨S½s¦C¨º19.8»õ©Ò¿×ªº±Ï©R¿v³ö¿ú¡I

>>> Thats probably true ( I havent verified that)--- That maight be because there was $$$ commitment from ¸gÀÙ³¡ but it turned out to be ANOTHER flip-flop (or conspiracy) from Abian!!!


3. ¦æ¬F°|´Nºâ¤µ¤Ñ§â¿ú±·¨ì°¨­^¤E®a¡A°¨­^¤E¤]¨Ó¤£¤Î¦b»ä­·©u«e§â­p¹º°õ¦æ§¹§r¡I

>>> Thats true --- but whats your point? Can »O¥_¿¤ do it in 3 years? Has »O¥_¿¤ done ANYTHING in the last 10 years?

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>>> Mayer Ma already spent 10+ billions ( 10,000 millions) on °ò¶©ªe¾ãªv in the last couple years, more that what Abian spent in 4 years (6+ billions)


Frankly speaking, I sort of agree with «¢§B that DPP actually want Mayer Ma to become mayer again so he wont be a threat to Abian in the 2004 Presidential election --- Abian is scared.


NO:594_94
Taipei Student ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 09:27
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NO:594_95
ftk ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 12:20
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Which part ¯A¤Î¤H¨­§ðÀ»? Go back to school?
>>> Didnt you said »¡¥Á¶iÄÒ¬O¡¨·|¿ïÁ|ªº¬FÄÒ¡¨¡A»¡ªº¤H³£¬O²Î´Cªº¤H£®? Wasnt it ¤H¨­§ðÀ»?


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>>> I was talking about the last 10 years, please read more carefully.

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Taipei Student ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 12:44
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NO:594_98
ftk ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 13:03
To: Taipei Student ¡@

So, can you answer or try to answer the question: there was $$$ (albeit verbal) commitment from ¸gÀÙ³¡ but it turned out to be ANOTHER flip-flop (or conspiracy) from Abian?

At least ¸gÀÙ³¡ should explain why that happened. Dont you think so?


NO:594_99
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 13:04
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_100
«¢§B ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 13:30
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_101
pico ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:16
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_102
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:21
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_103
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:23
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_104
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:29
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

I am curious:

not to mention «¢§Bs ÂI 1, does ©ú´µ¯S agree or not on «¢§Bs ÂI 2 and 3.


NO:594_105
Taipei Student ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:37
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_106
ftk ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:51
To: Ming NO:594_102

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NO:594_107
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 14:52
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_108
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 15:06
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

......You be the judge for ¯Ç²ú»ä­·¤j²T¤ô

Well, if your judgement depends on this short report (part of report from ºÊ°|ªÈ¥¿), no wonder you will say that.


NO:594_109
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 15:17
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

Give you another report. Be a judge fair. (the report you used is for ³fÂd°ô¶ë°ò¶©ªe, Not for ³y¦¨¥x¥_¥«ºëµØ°Ï¨L¬v¤@¤ù,¨Ã­«³Ð¥x¥_±¶¹B¨t²Î¡A·l¥¢ºG­«¡A....etc)


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NO:594_110
Taipei Student ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 15:36
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_111
ftk ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 16:08
To: Ming NO:594_109 & Taipei Student ¡@NO:594_110


Sure, ºÊ¹î°| definitely have hind-sight 20/20 regarding ¤H¦æ¹D¤ôªd¤Æ¤uµ{, ±¶¹B§½¿ìªO«n½u©¾§µ´_¿³¯¸¢ç«¬³q­·¤«¹jÀð¤uµ{ and ±¶¹B§½¡B¥x¥_±¶¹B¤½¥q¾î¦VÁpô¤Î¤uµ{¤¶­±¾ã¦X¤£¨¬, etc.

But dont you agree that the ROOT of the flood problem came from ¥æ³q³¡°ê¤u§½¥N¿ì¥x¥_¥«¤j§|·Ë³ö¨¾¦@ºc¤uµ{¡A¤uµ{¶i«×¤@¦A©µÌX, ¥B©ó¯Ç²ú»ä­·¨Óŧ®É¡A¥¼¨Ì¡u¨¾¦Äºò«æÀ³Åܮѡv±NÁ{®É¨¾¬x«ÊÂê½u°ïÅ|¦Ü­pµe°ªµ{¡A­P°ò¶©ªe¬x¤ô¥Ñ¦¹¯Ê¤f·¸³ö¡A¦¨¬°¬x¥Æ±¶®|¤§¤@ and ³fÂd¸¨¦Ü°ò¶©ªe...¥x¥_¿¤¬F©²¨Ã¥¼µ½ºÉªe¨¾¦w¥þºÞ²z¤§³d?

The news title <¯Ç²ú­·¨a ºÊ°|ªÈ¥¿¥«©²> was NOT that fair as you claimed. Although it seems that ¥x¥_¥« should be responsible for 50% of the damage, the degree of errors ¥æ³q³¡ and ¥x¥_¿¤¬F©² committed is far more serious and is the main causes for the damages.


¥«©²¥h¦~¤w¬°¯Ç²ú­·¨aºG­«¨a®`»P¤H©R·l¥¢¦V¥«¥Á¹Dºp, did you see any Executive Yuan official apologize in the same fashion?

By the way, will you blame yourself for not being more careful when hit by a drunken driver?


NO:594_112
ftk ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 16:15
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H


Let ©ú´µ¯S and «¢§B slug it out

Im retiring.


NO:594_113
pico ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 16:27
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

To Taipei Student,

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NO:594_114
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 16:39
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

To ftk:

Why you ignore the first paragraph (the most important one) and emphasize the second one?
There were lots of discussions on whom should take the direct responsibility in that event already. If you think your statement is fair, Why not to say the ROOT of the flood problem came from KMT (KuoMingTang) because they did not finish ¥x¥_¥«¤j§|·Ë³ö¨¾¦@ºc¤uµ{ earlier (before 1999).
By the way, how did you imply the following statement from this event?? How to relate?
...(By the way, will you blame yourself for not being more careful when hit by a drunken driver? )

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First, °ê¡B¿Ë­n¨D±N¥x¥_¥«¬F©²©Ò´£¾ãªv¸g¶O¯Ç¤J°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¯S§O¹wºâ¡A¾D¦æ¬F°|ÄYµü©Úµ´¡C
Second, After ¾D¦æ¬F°|ÄYµü©Úµ´, then °ê¡B¿Ë Change their strategy to propose °Ê¥Î¦­¤w½s«¨¤§²Ä¤G¹w³Æª÷

So before 7/16 ¥I©e, °ê¡B¿Ë all talking ·í®É°¨¥«©²¬O­n¨D§â19.8»õ¡u¯Ç¤J¡v¡u¯S§O¹wºâ¡v¡A

«¢§Bs statement is correct.


«¢§B ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 13:30
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NO:594_118
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 16:59
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_119
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:06
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_120
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:14
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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Thats your point of view. Do you need to insult «¢§B without ¾Ç³N¨}¤ß¶Ü??? What kind of attitube you are?


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I think «¢§B have already had a statement on this in his original article (point 2 and 3). You should refer to.


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As I said, before 7/16, °ê¡B¿Ë all talking ·í®É°¨¥«©²¬O­n¨D§â19.8»õ¡u¯Ç¤J¡v¡u¯S§O¹wºâ¡v¡Anot to mention ­n¨D°Ê¥Î¹w³Æª÷. You definitely did the Strawman Attacks.


NO:594_121
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:16
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_122
Taipei Student ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:21
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_123
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:21
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_124
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:23
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

>>>>¥ßªk°|¦³§@¦¨¨Mij­n¨D¦æ¬F°|¹ï©ó316»õªº¹wºâ°l¥[¥t¥~ªº¤Q¦h»õ¶Ü?

¨S¦³, But before 7/16 (a day before ¨Mij, and the date that «¢§Bs article appeared), °ê¡B¿Ë all talking about ·í®É°¨¥«©²¬O­n¨D§â19.8»õ¡u¯Ç¤J¡v¡u¯S§O¹wºâ¡v¡Anot to mention ­n¨D°Ê¥Î¹w³Æª÷.


>>>>>¦pªG¨S¦³ ¦ó¨Ó¯A¤Î¾Ëªk²Ä70±ø ¤µ¤Ñ¦pªG¦³§@¦¨¸Ó¨Mij ­n¨D¦æ¬F°|
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Its you who did the strawman attack. Please check what °ê¡B¿Ë and °¨¥«©² have said before 7/16.


NO:594_125
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:26
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

§Ú»¡§Ú¬O¤j¤@¥Í §A«ç»ò¤£±Ä«H«¨?

NO:594_126
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:28
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_127
¥xÆW¥[ªo ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:36
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_128
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:39
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_129
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:40
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

>>>>¦Ü©ó¥»®×®É¶¡©Êªº°ÝÃD ­n«DÄÝ­«­n!

What are you talking about? It was you who misinterpretted «¢§Bs point first. Do you know what is strawman attacks. ¤j¤@¥Í should know it already. If not, please go to check some books.


>>>>>©ú´µ¯S¤£·Q¥´¤f¤ô°Õ

Ming ¤£·Q¥´¤f¤ô°Õ either. But your attitube was really not good.


NO:594_130
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:42
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

It is really disgusting.

©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:39

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NO:594_131
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:44
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_132
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:47
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_133
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:52
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

Sorry about ¤¤¤£¤¤­n­^¤£­^,
I am unable to type Chinese characters (English OS, no chinese software)

>>>>>§Ú¬Ý§A­^¤å¤]¬O°÷®tªº

Well, at least, I am a Ph. D. in the top ten US university. What about you??
by the way, §Ú¬Ý§Achinese¤]¬O°÷®tªº


NO:594_134
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 17:54
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_135
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 18:01
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

Ha,
Talking about §õ±Î. I know him very well (in person). I have read almost his books. I even have collected all - one hundred something of his series of critic (published in 80s, most of them were banned). Even §õ±Î missed 2 volumes.

So now I know you must be a freshman. Believe me, You will grow up some times.


NO:594_136
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 18:06
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

>>>>>§A¾Ì¤°»ò­n¨D¤@­Ó¤HªººA«×??
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I have never ­n¨DyourºA«×. I just pointed out that your ºA«× is very bad, Thats it.


NO:594_137
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 18:13
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

>>>>>¦Ü©ó§A»¡ªººA«×°ÝÃD §õ±Îªº®Ñ¤¤¦³½Í¨ì°Õ
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Well, what the most important in §õ±Î argument is that it is not the ºA«× but the truth which matters. You can not even stand for your argument in above discussion. That is what I concerned. Please, do not misinterpret §õ±Îs argument, OK.


NO:594_138
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 18:20
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_139
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 18:36
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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Do you read English or not? I said,

what the most important in §õ±Î argument is that it is not the ºA«× but the truth which matters.

Yes, ¨Æ¹ê(¯u²z) ¸òºA«×§õ±Î³£¦³½×­z¨ì
But ¥Lªº­«ÂI IS NOT :­n¨DºA«×¬O¥i¯ºªº Instead, ¥Lªº­«ÂI IS
it is not the ºA«× which matters, but the ¨Æ¹ê(¯u²z) which matters.

§õ±Î has never asked his readers to have bad attitube. He might be said ­n¨DºA«×¬O¥i¯º, but the ­«ÂI¬O ¨Æ¹ê(¯u²z). if you do not have ¨Æ¹ê(¯u²z) on your side, a good attitube is not helpful.

You totally misunderstand his point.


NO:594_140
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 18:41
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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Be behave. Even §õ±Î will not use these lously terms. It only let people despise you.


NO:594_141
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 20:09
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

Ming~~~¤£­n¦Û¥´¼L¤Ú¤F~~~

NO:594_142
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 20:18
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

¦b½Í¨ìÃö©ó§A»¡ªº:
what the most important in §õ±Î argument is that it is not the ºA«× but the truth which matters.

Yes, ¨Æ¹ê(¯u²z) ¸òºA«×§õ±Î³£¦³½×­z¨ì
But ¥Lªº­«ÂI IS NOT :­n¨DºA«×¬O¥i¯ºªº Instead, ¥Lªº­«ÂI IS
it is not the ºA«× which matters, but the ¨Æ¹ê(¯u²z) which matters.

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NO:594_143
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 20:32
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As I said, before 7/16 (a day before ¨Mij, and the date that «¢§Bs article appeared), °ê¡B¿Ë all talking about ·í®É°¨¥«©²¬O­n¨D§â19.8»õ¡u¯Ç¤J¡v¡u¯S§O¹wºâ¡v¡Anot to mention ­n¨D°Ê¥Î¹w³Æª÷. And that was exactly what «¢§Bs article based on. After ¾D¦æ¬F°|ÄYµü©Úµ´, then °ê¡B¿Ë (they all knew it is against ¾Ëªk70±ø) change their strategy to propose °Ê¥Î¦­¤w½s«¨¤§²Ä¤G¹w³Æª÷. So It is you who did the strawman attacks on «¢§Bs article. It is you who are ¤@­Ó¬N©ó¨Æ¹êÁ¿¸Üªº¤H. (Please check what °ê¡B¿Ë and °¨¥«©² have said before 7/16.)

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NO:594_151
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 10:30
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you have never asked my attitude???
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As I said that it is your point of view, Not the majority ·N¨£ of ¤jªk©x.

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ok!!whatever you say!!!

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Now, do not ¼o¸Ü¤@°ï, answer my question:>

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NO:594_152
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 10:45
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_153
Taipei Student ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 11:04
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_154
FUCKYOU ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 11:51
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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NO:594_155
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 12:48
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

To ©ú´µ¯S:

What I have talked about truth and attitude was related to §õ±Îs ½×­zºA«×ªº¦Û¥Ñ.
I have never related them to ªk«ß. Do not mess them up.

Well, as you said, ¦Ü©ó§A­nªº¯u²z ªk«ß¤£Á¿¯u²z ¦bªk«ß¸Ì ­þ¨Óªº¯u²z??
It might be truth for some kind of ³^´Ò. But it is definitely not true in (much higher level) philosophical discussions (on truth of law).

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I have never said that majority represents truth (you mess it up again). I just mentioned that it is a consensus (I doubt that you know the difference between truth and consensus). Since the majority of ¤jªk©x thought it that way. Our society have to obey it. Or why do we need ¤jªk©x committee. You could disagree with it, but it is how our society function under law. As I said, you could argue with your freedom of killing and actually do it, but it commits a crime in our society.

You prefer ¤£¦P·N¨£®Ñ¤jªk©x Ĭ«T¶¯ ¼BÅK¿þ. As I said it is your point of view only. What is ¯u²z¦b³o?? Even Ĭ«T¶¯ ¼BÅK¿þ have only said: ¦ü¦³«Ý°Óºe. (If you want to discuss it , clarify the rights of ¥ßªk°| and ¦æ¬F°| first. and tell me who decide °ê¥Á°l¨D§Q¯qªº
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Who on earth is ¦Û§@Áo©ú? You messes up so many questions. You ability on comprehension and logic is really lousy. I doubt that you can do advanced discussion at all.


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NO:594_156
Ming ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 13:20
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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HA, why talk that much! you are totally based on MAJORITY yourself.(²Å¦X®É¥N¼é¬y, ¥@¬É¦h°ê§¡±Ä¹wºâªk«ß»¡). Poor guy.


NO:594_157
Claude ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 13:30
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NO:594_158
©ú´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/22 19:55
Re:¡u°ò¶©ªe¾ãªv¹wºâ¡v¨Æ¥ó¡A±E¬O±E«D¡H

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