AP 美聯社 關於 陳金鋒記者會的報導
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| 中間人 於 2002/09/17 13:25 | |
| AP 美聯社 關於 陳金鋒記者會的報導 | |
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/news/2002/09/16/dodgers_chen_ap/ Dodgers introduce majors first Taiwan-born player LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The Dodgers introduced major league baseballs first Taiwan-born player to fans Monday, two days after Chin-Feng Chen made his debut in a Los Angeles uniform. Chen, who walked as a pinch-hitter and scored a run Saturday against the Colorado Rockies, dismissed the sensitive question of whether he considers himself Taiwanese or Chinese. I dont think this is for me to answer, he said through a translator. I dont really care. Baseball is a great sport no matter where you come from, no matter where you are, so why not have fun? Chens parents, a representative of Taiwans government and team executives were at Dodger Stadium. Congratulatory letters from Taiwans president and vice president were read. Dodgers general manager Dan Evans said the significance of Chens accomplishment was apparent as soon as he got into the game against the Rockies. What we are celebrating is something that occurs once in a lifetime. At Coors Field, when I saw No. 52 come up, I realized we were not only making baseball history, we were making international history, Evans said. Chens achievement has provided Taiwan-born fans something to cheer about in an era in which the country struggles for international recognition. Beijing insists that the self-ruled, democratic island is part of China. Chen signed with the Dodgers in 1999, becoming the first Taiwan-born player to sign a contract with a big league team. His debut is the latest in a series of international firsts for the Dodgers, who signed major league baseballs first Australian player, Craig Shipley, the first Korean-born player, Chan Ho Park, and the first Japanese player, Hideo Nomo. Chen is still adjusting to life in the United States. The language -- but I am starting to learn English a little bit -- and an adjustment to American food, but it is coming along fine, he said. The 24-year-old first baseman-outfielder was a member of the 1990 Taiwan team that won the Little League World Series. He was promoted last week from Class AAA Las Vegas, where he batted .284 this season and led the team with 26 homers and 84 RBIs. Im very happy and honored to be standing here, Chen said. The first time I was here was as a little kid playing in the World Series in Williamsport (Pa.). I never thought about being in the major leagues. I will do the best I can to help the team win. In a show of support for Chen, community leaders pledged to have at least 100 Taiwanese-Americans attend Monday nights game against the San Francisco Giants -- and every other home game until the end of the season. Its sort of like a tribute to him, said Tsuann Kuo, president of the Taiwanese United Fund, which raises money for cultural exchange programs. She said excitement first swelled among the U.S. born-children of Taiwanese immigrants -- and soon spread to their parents who recognize baseball has become a popular sport back in their homeland. Our second generation are just crazy about this. They are the ones e-mailing everyone and making signs, Kuo said. But the Dodgers dont allow signs, so they are doing it the American way, painting their bodies.
以前提到其他的球員時都是強調國籍, 但因為台灣和中國關係太敏感了, 我想AP在處理這些東東時一定遭遇過很多次問題, 所以在這篇報導理可明顯看出他們保持中立的立場, 避免觸怒任何一方(中國或台灣), 為何這麼說呢? 因為全篇把陳金鋒出身特別的重點強調在他是第一個台灣出生的球員, 強調出生地, 而非國籍, 所以中國不會寫信去抗議, 台灣也不會去抗議, 誰也不得罪... 不過這樣新聞性就少了點, 為何呢? 因為出生地沒啥特別, 萬一有一個美國白人在北京出生, 但在美國長大, 他加入MLB後就是 第一個在北京出生的球員?? 好像沒啥好報的嘛... (同理, 純搞笑, NBA怎不幫Kobe Bryant舉行一個記者會說他是第一個在希臘出生的球員? ) 雖然有一些小邏輯問題, 但是AP這樣的報導應該值得台灣媒體學習, 學習中庸之道啊~ 尤其是前幾天關於陳金鋒是中國人的報導, 根本不必要的引起爭議, 一下子很多人在版上批來批去, 有人說他是中國人, 有人說他不是中國人, 什麼聲音都有, 就是沒有本尊的聲音, 所以說在大家都還沒有共識前, 最好還是不要強幫別人選邊站, 就說他是華人之光, 也絲毫不減光采啊~ |
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| 襠馬 於 2002/09/17 13:52 | |
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該不會又是被代表中國的記者逼問吧？ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 【 被逼問台灣人？中國人？ 陳金鋒妙答「棒球無國界」 】 (2002/09/17 11:45) （記者王覺一/綜合報導） ...... 洛杉磯道奇16日（美國時間）在主場為陳金鋒正式舉行記者會，有記者當場問陳金鋒認為自己是「台灣人」或「中國人」，陳金鋒只能回答，「我不認為這是我該回答的問題。」 「我並不是很在意這個問題」，陳金鋒透過翻譯回答：「棒球是很偉大的運動，無論你是來自哪裡或你是誰，何不就享受棒球的樂趣。」 ...... |
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| 襠馬 於 2002/09/17 13:53 | |
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↑(http://www.ettoday.com.tw/2002/09/17/91-1352527.htm) |
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| 中間人 於 2002/09/17 13:54 | |
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我想不是他們就是我們.. 當然了, 也只有這兩方在乎這個吧.. |
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| 土伯 於 2002/09/17 14:04 | |
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這樣講吧, 照中國及中華民國的宣稱, 達賴喇嘛是中國籍的, 所以達賴喇嘛是第一個(也是唯一)得諾貝爾獎的「中國人」, 你會說達賴喇嘛是『華人之光』嗎? 陳金鋒自己也說要「為台灣人爭光」,
陳金鋒 大聯盟亮相 (2002/9/10 ) 金鋒金鋒了不起,能穿上美國職棒道奇隊球衣,他是台灣第一人,陳金鋒終於圓了自己棒球夢,穿上了52號球衣在一壘防區守備,跟一大票年薪上億的球員一起練球,陳金鋒有些害羞,話不是很多,不過大家對於這位台灣來的英雄,還是熱忱歡迎。 雖然和球隊一起出賽,不過陳金鋒並沒有上場,而是坐足了九局的板凳,不過陳金鋒並不會氣餒,他表示會好好努力,為國人爭光。陳金鋒回答問題還是這樣的簡短,不過聽的出來信心十足,陳金鋒加油吧。(綜合報導)
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| 中間人 於 2002/09/17 14:12 | |
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如果西藏人被普遍認為是華人的話, 我想稱之華人也沒啥不對... 不過這不是這欄要討論的, 我把這文貼出來是想聽聽大家對於AP的作法的意見啦~ |
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| 月日 於 2002/09/17 14:46 | |
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西藏人正是因為不想被認為是華人，所以中國才搞了這麼久，還無法搞定，讓「西藏人以身為中國人為榮」，中間人不要想維持「中庸之道」的形象，總是想兩邊各打五十大板，連這種「西藏人不想當中國人」的「事實」都還要加個「假設」來逃避自己選「事實」的那邊站。 AP的若以後還是這樣作的話，本人將寫信去建議。是一就是一，是二就是二，一個美國的媒體，怕得罪誰？就算中國或台灣抗議，根本對他們無關痛癢，他們有什麼好怕？本人不認為他們會以後還會如此混，這次或許是偶然。 這種自以為「中庸之道」，實則打混摸魚，閃爍迷離，逃避問題。等真的要面對了，兩方壓力反而更高，因為平常打混，各說各話，各自自慰，互以為自己贏了，對方輸了。屆時陳金鋒若選一邊站，另一邊會更不爽。還不如趁早解決，早日釐清，問題較少。台灣目前普遍國家意識混淆不清，正是拜長期這種打混摸魚自以為「中庸之道」的駝鳥政策所賜。 |
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| 土伯 於 2002/09/17 15:24 | |
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美聯社這篇, 違反了中間人網友說的「中庸之道」嗎 ? ( 這個「中庸之道」, 是由誰來審議呢 ? ) http://www.radicus.net/news/wed/ch/Abbn-dodgers-chen.ROzH_CS9.asp Dodgers Promote Taiwans Chen Monday, 09-Sep-2002 3:49PM LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The Los Angeles Dodgers promoted Chin-Feng Chen to the major league roster Monday, making the 24-year-old first baseman-outfielder the first Taiwanese player on a major league roster. Chens arrival is an exciting one for this organization, Dodgers general manager Dan Evans said. He is an extremely talented player who continues to improve each year. It is important for him to experience a big league clubhouse and atmosphere, and his hard work and production have earned him this reward. Chen hit .333 and drove in four runs while the Triple-A Las Vegas 51s were eliminated 3-1 by the Edmonton Trappers in a Pacific Coast League semifinal playoff series that ended Saturday. A native of Yong Kang City in Taiwan, Chen hit .284 and led the 51s with 26 homers and 84 RBIs this season. He was a member of the Taiwanese national team in the 34th World Cup of Baseball, held in Taiwan last year, and led all players with 11 RBIs to help his country win the bronze medal. Chen became the first Taiwanese-born player to sign a professional baseball contract with an American organization when he signed with the Dodgers in 1999. |
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| ILLwill 於 2002/09/17 15:26 | |
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這個「華人」還真是無聊的生物，可曾看過「央格魯薩克遜人之光」的說法? 還不只有顯示當地國家的報導，就連猶太人都不會去強調這點好不好?更何況一個 莫名其妙又毫無定義可言的「華人」 |
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| 土伯 於 2002/09/17 15:36 | |
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中間人網友, 你認為我轉的美聯社上篇報導能作到你說的「避免觸怒中國或台灣」的「中庸之道」嗎 ? 你說的這種「中庸之道」是台灣媒體所欠缺而應學習的嗎 ? 美聯社如果要作到「避免觸怒中國」, 那可要刪掉一大堆新聞, 法輪功、西藏、人權、新聞封鎖等報導都要刪掉, 會不會進入門檻高了些 ? |
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| 中間人 於 2002/09/17 17:00 | |
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我想我覺得AP在這篇的做法上是因為不想因為一個單純的體育活動牽涉到太多政治, 就取中間之道囉, 不然還要浪費時間去應付來自兩岸的筆伐... (想想: 連一個體育活動都可以讓大家憤憤不平, 換作是我的話, 我也要找點方法去避免...) 至於其他的報導(法輪功、西藏、人權、新聞封鎖)本來就是政治問題, 那就沒啥好說的啦... 我不是要叫AP在那些事情上也避免觸怒某一方啦, 僅針對體育活動.. 大家可以比較一下其他的報導: ESPN 道奇隊首頁 CBS Sportsline USA Today
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| 中間人 於 2002/09/17 17:01 | |
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http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/la/homepage/la_homepage.jsp 可以到這裏看看陳金鋒的記者會實況 |
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| ＧＰＲＳ 於 2002/09/17 17:45 | |
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說穿了 就是對我國兩千三百萬國民的集體意識加以強姦嘛 媒體跟球迷稱呼鈴木一朗是Japanese會不會被扣上泛政治化的大帽子? 會不會有人質疑Ichiro是否有自己現身說法說自己是日本人? 真的很奇怪 陳金峰不是看起來就是支那妓者最看不起最鄙視的黑黑的南島血統? 人家說話也不會捲舌 如果不是因為他的身分與成就 肯定是被那些自以為血統高貴的支那畜生很不屑的罵做土台客 今天人家有成就了 支那畜生就要來把人家言語強姦成什麼中國人榮耀什麼華人之光了?? 可是 很好笑 又很選擇性的 前陣子的菜花事件當中 跟巴拉圭人通姦的四名女子媒體又大標題的稱呼為台灣女子?? 奇怪了 聽口音也知道她們是支那裔的 又捲舌又那種很支那的行為模式 這四個通姦的菜花女才是真正的中國人的榮耀跟華人之光呢 怎麼? 就開始要栽贓給台灣人了? 然後台灣人有點成就要被言語強姦成中國人榮耀華人之光...... |
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| ＧＰＲＳ 於 2002/09/17 17:47 | |
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中國人的榮耀 |
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| ＧＰＲＳ 於 2002/09/17 17:54 | |
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華人之光 回信發言人:van, on Tue Sep 17/02 11:05:34 (IP code: 9.129) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 而後皇家騎警發言人昨日在現場接受主流傳媒訪問時，也略帶激動地幾近指名道姓的表示撞死他的同僚是一名「中國小孩（Chinese kid）」，據指出這在加拿大大溫哥華地區也是少有地突顯了「華裔」而非單單亞裔的涉案者身份。 現在中國人一詞，在海外幾乎就是專指那些肇事後逃逸或鑽進鑽出不能乖乖排隊的亞裔。所以現在白人消費者離開三號路往五號路去了，把三號路讓給中國人。 |
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| 土伯 於 2002/09/17 18:34 | |
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中間人網友, 我沒有修改, radicus.net 也沒有修改, 那就是美聯社的原文, 不信的話, 可以到下面網址看一模一樣的美聯社報導. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u;=/ap/20020909/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbn_dodgers_chen_2 還是老問題, 你認為我轉的美聯社上篇報導能作到你說在「體育」上的「避免觸怒中國或台灣」的「中庸之道」嗎 ? |
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| 中間人 於 2002/09/17 19:37 | |
| Re:AP 美聯社 關於 陳金鋒記者會的報導 | |
這我就不了解了.. 因為除了這個解釋之外, 我無法解釋AP這篇報導以taiwan-born player而非 taiwan player 為主... 陳金鋒是因為他是台灣人才如此特別, 不是因為他是出生在台灣才特別... 不然各位做何解釋呢?? |
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| 中間人 於 2002/09/17 19:47 | |
| Re:AP 美聯社 關於 陳金鋒記者會的報導 | |
結果剛剛那個記者會的連結沒啥好看的, 50k的比較快, 300k連不到, 而且只有大家致詞的部份, 記者發問的部份沒有放上網, 可惜.. 不過看得到陳金鋒, 而且感覺真的很棒呢!! 再祝他一切順利! 加油!! |
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| KSC 於 2002/09/17 22:44 | |
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1. Using Taiwanese-born is correct, just like using American-born, it provides a meaning of being native. If one uses Taiwan-born to describe Mr. A, then the term simply means A was born in Taiwan; A is not necessary a Taiwanese. For example, Mayor Ma of Taipei city was born in HK, we could describe him as HK-born, but not Hongkongese-born. However, for 成龍, the correct way to describe him should be Hongkongese-born actor! 2. There is no need to over interpret AP reports. The 16/9 AP report is not politically correct either from PRCs point of view as it describes Taiwan as a country. They are just reports written by average guys. No more no less. 3. We should all be proud of 陳金鋒,因為他是the first 台灣人 playing in American Major League. |
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