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CHINESE SOURCES confirm that the Shenygan Aircraft Company (SAC) is developing
a new multi-role version of the J-11, a licence-bulit copy of the Su-27,
which was originally optimised for the air superioirty role. Around 20 J-11s
are believed to have been built by China, under a 1996 contract which allowed
SAC to manufacture up to 200 of the advanced fighters.

At the 2000 Zhuhia Air Show, a highly-placed Shenyang official stated that
not all 200 aircraft would necessarily be built, but did not discount the
possibility of other variants being offered. The new J-11 variant will
reportedly incorporate a new domestically designed and produced mulit-mode
radar and other electronics, to facilitate the use of a Chinese designed
active radar-guided air-to-air missile, known as Project 129, or SD-10 (Lightning
10) under its export designation (Chinese AAM Developments, September, p16).

It is expected that the modified J-11 will also carry a range of Chinese
or Russian precision guided munitions. In addition, Russian reports made
available after the Farnborough Air Show state that China will purchase
30 Su-30MK2s, a new naval strike variant of the Su-30MKK, around 80 of the
latter being on order for the PLAAF(Chinese Developments, February, p14)

The new Su-30MK2 may replace or supplement the obsolete PLA Naval Air Force
H-6 (Tu-16) naval bombers, or they could also go to the PLAAF itself.
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The combination of Su-30 and R-27ER/ET (NATO designation AA-10), flown and fought in a competent fashion, also represents a significant threat. Even though the R-27ER is only a semiactive radar-guided missile, the extra maneuvering capability resulting from the large motor is a significant improvement over the basic R-27. Basic Russian air force doctrine has long suggested following a semi-active missile launch immediately with an IR missile launch, such as the R-27ET. Theory has it that the target aircrafts crew will be occupied spoofing the inbound radar missile, only to fall to the second missile.
The R-27ER, while only semiactive, also outperforms the baseline R-77 (AA-12) in terms of kinematics. The R-77 motor has a simple, and short, burn profile, which has resulted in disappointing performance, piquing the Russian air forces interest in developing the K-77M rather than fielding the basic AA-12 in any numbers. The K-77M (K denotes a missile still in development, while R reflects an inventory weapon) is an upgraded R-77 with improvements that include a larger motor with a burn sequence profiled to increase range.

The oft-touted, but yet-to-be-fielded, R-27EA active variant of the AA-10 could further enhance the Su-30s capabilities, were an export customer to buy the derivative. In terms of one-on-one combat, the second-generation Flanker family presents a considerable threat to aircraft not designed from the outset as low observable, unless they are capable of extended-range BVR missile engagements. For instance, this threat drove the British selection of a rocket-ramjet missile to equip the Eurofighter.


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lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/13 23:36
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NO:954_25
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NO:954_26
lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/15 11:56
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roger sir.
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NO:954_27
PLD ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/15 14:42
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NO:954_28
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NO:954_29
lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/15 17:20
Re:PLD

THX,
But I wont say anything unoffical for Mr.¤pº­§À dislikes that,and I should regard him.

NO:954_30
lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/10/15 17:26
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I think if PLA cracked Su27s fire control system,
their main purpose is to improving the suface attack ability(C-80x,YJ-91 ARM,Hong Niao series Cruise missile,etc.),not AAM(its a purpose too of course).
(Im now in some netcafe and no big5 input,and sorry for my broken english)

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