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Guidance System Raytheon semi-active on continuous wave or pulsed Doppler radar energy
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Date Deployed 1976


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NO:518_28
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NO:518_29
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/18 02:05
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how about??

get rid of the 76mm oto and current ¶¯¤G on ¦¨¥\
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Also if we added RAM to the system... another possible change is to get rid of the 40mms with ¤è°}.

Upgrade the 40mms to ones with Anti-missile capability is another thing to consider.


NO:518_30
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NO:518_31
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NO:518_32
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/18 02:34
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NO:518_33
sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/18 02:38
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NO:518_34
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NO:518_35
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NO:518_36
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NO:518_37
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NO:518_40
Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 01:46
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NO:518_41
Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 01:59
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NO:518_42
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 03:05
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Around MK13 system ?

Also how about adding a station for Stinger missles on Knox???



NO:518_43
¤p¤ò ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 04:10
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NO:518_44
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 14:17
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Knox still have AN/SPS-40B on board.......

And it should be able to recieve warning messages from other ships in the fleet.

Besides the primary use of the stinger is to extend anti-aircraft range from 1.5km to ~7km. not intended as an anti-missile defense.

The primary advantages of this is CHEAP and aviliablity.


NO:518_45
Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 14:20
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NO:518_46
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NO:518_47
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NO:518_48
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NO:518_49
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NO:518_51
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NO:518_52
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NO:518_56
¤p¤ò ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 10:22
Re:·s¤Û·QªÅ¶¡

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NO:518_57
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NO:518_58
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/23 00:39
Re:·s¤Û·QªÅ¶¡

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I can think of 3 options that might fit.

1. Sea Vulcan, this is almost a sure thing, because its rather small and can be fitted with stinger missiles. Low profile and price is the primary advantage.

2. Goalkeeper, good firepower, and lower profile than Phalanx, but logistical support, weight and size might be a problem, besides aviliability.

3. Phalanx, reliable, proven and in use by ROCN now are the primary advantages. But might be too tall to fit. Weight might also be a problem. Logistical support, aviliability and price and the advantages.

Upgrading the 40mm guns with anti-missile capability is something that SHUOLD be done.


NO:518_59
Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/24 16:51
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NO:518_60
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/24 17:00
Re:·s¤Û·QªÅ¶¡

Albert: can you give an assessment on the capabilities of various CIWS systems aviliable? Like range, response time, etc.

Thank you.


NO:518_61
sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/24 18:17
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NO:518_62
Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/25 01:30
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NO:518_63
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/25 12:15
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NO:518_64
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NO:518_65
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NO:518_66
Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/26 01:35
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NO:518_67
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NO:518_68
¤p¤ò ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/26 08:49
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NO:518_69
¤p¤ò ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/26 08:58
Re:·s¤Û·QªÅ¶¡

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NO:518_70
®ÇÆ[ªÌ2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/26 15:55
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NO:518_71
sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/26 21:31
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NO:518_72
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/26 22:15
Re:·s¤Û·QªÅ¶¡

Sohonor: Do you know why RN choose Phalanx 1B over Goalkeeper?

The comments at
http://pub116.ezboard.com/ftheglobalpoliticsandmilitaryforumfrm12.showMessage?topicID=115.topic

indicates that other than weight and size(shouldnt be a problem here), Goalkeeper seems to be a better CIWS system and RN is already using it.

As for fitting with 8 SM2s, rather than ASROC, why not just any mix depends on the mission? One thing SM2 can do but ESSM cant is to shoot down high flying planes thats providing ¹p¹F°Ñ¼Æ for SSMs.


NO:518_73
Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/27 01:49
Re:·s¤Û·QªÅ¶¡

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NO:518_74
¤p¤ò ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/27 02:19
Re:·s¤Û·QªÅ¶¡

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NO:518_75
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/27 13:58
Re:·s¤Û·QªÅ¶¡

RAM uses proximity fuse

while 20mm and 30mm rounds kill via direct hit.

So its very hard to compare things this way....

RAMªº¼uÀY±þ¶Ë¤O±j but with §Ö¯¥ youve got a lot more lead being throw at the missile.

Another thing to consider is that Exocet is oe of the smaller/lighter SSMs out there. The Russian heavy weights will be much harder to bring down.


NO:518_76
sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/28 22:06
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NO:518_77
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NO:518_78
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/29 01:56
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The problem is that evne if all 11 missiles are used on a single target. The proximity fuse warhead might not do enough damage to stop a ton+ supersonic diving missile.

NO:518_79
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/29 03:39
Re:·s¤Û·QªÅ¶¡

some corrections:

evne -> even

The Phalanx system have a 1.5km range only supposedly.....
so about it have about 2.5~4.4 seconds of interception time if the missile is a supersonic one. ¶¡¹j¤T¤Q¬í would be almost meaningless here. The system will also slew to the target before it enters range.

RAMs range is classified, but I think its longer than 8km and shorter than 15nm from variosu sources. (can anyone give some good data here here??) Speed should be about 2~2.5 mach. So the first missile should be fired about 36seconds before the ASCM can hit the ship. (12km or so away) The firerate of the system is still unknown for us.

As for how effective the RAMs are against big and heavy supersonic ASCWs, i have no idea. But Exocet is about as small and light as it gets.


NO:518_80
Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/29 19:43
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NO:518_81
sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/30 00:21
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NO:518_82
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NO:518_83
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NO:518_84
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NO:518_85
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NO:518_86
sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/30 23:36
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NO:518_87
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NO:518_88
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/31 00:39
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did i miss anything?


NO:518_89
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NO:518_94
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/08/03 02:47
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Some thoughts about what we can do to ¦¨¥\ after ROCN get those AFCON Corvettes.

Move the sonars and ASW systems from Knox, and load the MK13 with some ASROC. Then if possible, give the MK13 the ability to launch Harpoon, and upgrade the fire control radar to a SM2 compatiable one. Then load the HF2 launchers with 8 SM2s instead. Then remove the 76mm gun (or the 2 40mm guns) and replace it with a 20 missile VLS for ¼C¤G (ESSM might be trouble some here). Add programmable pre-fragmentation rounds to the 40mm (/76mm) guns and faster fire controls to allows the guns to be used in the anti-missile role effectively.

This way well get an ASW ship thats very capable of protecting itself. And a nice replacement for the Knox.

(anti-surface ability is some how sacrifaced here but 8 harpoons + some medium caliber guns + 20 SM1s + 8 SM2s are atill pretty formadable)


NO:518_95
¤p¤ò ¡@©ó¡@2002/08/03 06:43
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NO:518_96
lazycat.com ¡@©ó¡@2002/08/04 08:45
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NO:518_97
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/08/04 13:42
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Oh, and I forgot the space in front of the MK13.
The options there i think are:

1: a low profile CIWS
2: some VLS system which can launch ESSM or ¼C¤G (not too sure about RANs plan to add 8 tubes of MK41 there, what kind of height are the MK41 they are adding? can the MK41 there be fitted with ASROC/Standard-1/Standard-2 as even the SDLS type maybe too long for a proper fit.
3: a 40mm L/70 unit or a M61A1 20mm from the F104s. (easy, cheap and readily aviliable mod) or even justa cheap T82 unit.


NO:518_98
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/08/05 02:36
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¤p¤ò: I think the ¦¨¥\ should still be upgraded so it can shoulder the ASW role together with ±d©w and maybe DDG963 in ROCN. I dont think any serious upgrading to the Knox is worth it because:

1. The lack of suitable ª½ª@¾÷s.
2. The steam boiler and old age makes it much less attractive from personnel point of view.
3: Complete lack of AAW ability, makes it difficult to survive on a modern battlefield.

So i think if ROCN can get a lot of AAW specialized Corvettes, then it should fit the ¦¨¥\ with more advanced ASW ability to replace the role now Know plays together with ±d©w. 2 x ª½ª@¾÷ is a great asset in ASW.

±d©w have it own sets of problems though... lack of space for upgrades in weaponary seems the biggest one. Good sonars, but the radar and combat systems leaves something to be desired....... ¼C¤G will probablly be the most logical coming upgrade if CIST can integrate the French systems with their own.

http://pub14.ezboard.com/fwarandpoliticsfrm38.showMessage?topicID=481.topic

are some views about how ©Ôªk¸­ is inadequate in the future French Navy, and some good talks about radars.

Also note the fact PLAN are going with larger and larger ships in the future... a 8000T line after LuHai, and a 2500~3000T line after JiangWei. These are well armed modern ships, and there will be LOTS of it. So i guess its time for ROCN to gain some tonnage.


NO:518_99
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The RAN is adding a module of the Defense length MK41 to their Adelaide class, which can only hold the ESSM at present. (This is around 4¡¦9¡¨ shorter than the normal Tactical length).
However, when we talking about the usage of the PFG-2 and the intended PCEG, we should clearly know that the PCEG is a very capable coastal vessel. However, this may not be very suitable for the Blue Water operation. But, according to the present plan, the ROCN should have at least 24 ocean going vessels for its role. Hence the PCEG is still not a good choice to replace neither the Knox nor the PFG-2.
For the PFG-2, as the FFG-7 class is designed as a convoy-protecting vessel with the AAW as its majority role, and the PFG-2 was further enhanced for its multi-roles capability by the ROCN. Hence it is still adequate for its role as the multi-purpose vessel in the foreseeable future. For the Knox replacement, this vessel can be an effective ASW asset provided that we are adding the SQR-19 or SQR-18(V)3 to the vessel. Further improvements can be retrofitted to the vessel during their SLEP, which is starting around 2012, and it is just a perfect time match for the DDG-51 should already join the ROCN by then.


NO:518_101
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DCN shows innovative, twin-hull submarine concept

By Nick Brown

DCN is displaying a conceptual multi-role, reconfigurable submarine, the SMX-21, at Euronaval 2002.

The twin-hulled layout of the boat is reminiscent of Soviet-era Typhoon-class ballistic missile boats, though with a more pronounced, flatter body, both hulls ¡V though separate ¡V being contained within a single outer pressure hull. According to a DCN spokesman, the wide overall body of the submarine means that there is a considerable degree of storage space between the hulls. This enables the boat to support non-penetrating masts and also slot-in, reconfigurable slanted launcher ¡¥magazines¡¦ without imposing upon the accommodation and propulsion sections as a conventional layout does.

Weapon systems envisioned for the submarine include light- and heavyweight torpedoes launched from conventional bow-mounted tubes, a forward bay on the underside of the submarine for mine delivery and four ¡¥slots¡¦ in the upper decks between the hulls for reconfigurable magazines. These magazines can hold up to 10 individual rounds, from conventional torpedoes through cruise and anti-ship missiles all the way up to DCN¡¦s developmental anti-air warfare system of submarine-launched missiles ¡V or a mixture of all these types. The concept dictates that each magazine can be replaced with little effort when the submarine is alongside and will simply be plugged into a fully integrated, lean-manned combat management system by wire cabling.

The SMX-21 can also support a range of other roles, with the model on display having a ¡¥dry dock¡¦ pod-mounted externally for use as stowage space for a special forces delivery system and carriage of recoverable unmanned underwater vehicles.

DCN further claims that the twin-hull design improves survivability and crew safety, since either pressure hull can be totally isolated from the other in event of gas escape or flooding, even potentially retaining limited power to the boat¡¦s innovative pump-jet propulsion system.

According to DCN, the model on display is broadly indicative of what the SMX-21 might look like, but the company emphasises that the design is currently very much just at a technology and concept study phase.


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