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Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/18 01:40 | |
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unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/18 02:05 | |
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how about?? get rid of the 76mm oto and current ¶¯¤G on ¦¨¥\ Also if we added RAM to the system... another possible change is to get rid of the 40mms with ¤è°}. Upgrade the 40mms to ones with Anti-missile capability is another thing to consider. |
sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/18 02:09 | |
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unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/18 02:34 | |
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>> ®ü¤½¦ÏÂ\¦b²Ä¤G¶¶¦ì IHMO it should be the #1 ¶¶¦ì. the only problem is $$$ |
sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/18 02:38 | |
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Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/18 14:45 | |
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sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/18 23:21 | |
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Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 01:46 | |
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Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 01:59 | |
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unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 03:05 | |
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¥[¸Ëªþ¦X¸Ë¥Ò¶ô? Around MK13 system ? Also how about adding a station for Stinger missles on Knox??? |
¤p¤ò ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 04:10 | |
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Stinger ?½Ö¨Ó³qª¾®g¤ânºËþ¸Ì? Stinger¬OºË·Ç¾¹¬Ýªº¨ì¤~¥´ªº¨ì§a!µ¥¥i¥H¥Øµø¬Ý¨ì±°®ü¸¼u,¤j·§¥u³Ñ¤Q´X¬í¥i¥H¤ÏÀ³¤F! |
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 14:17 | |
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Knox still have AN/SPS-40B on board....... And it should be able to recieve warning messages from other ships in the fleet. Besides the primary use of the stinger is to extend anti-aircraft range from 1.5km to ~7km. not intended as an anti-missile defense. The primary advantages of this is CHEAP and aviliablity. |
Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/19 14:20 | |
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Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/21 02:00 | |
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>Ä¥º¥i¯à¨S¦ì¸m¦w¸Ë²Ä¤G®MÂI¨¾¿m¨t²Î I can think of 3 options that might fit. 1. Sea Vulcan, this is almost a sure thing, because its rather small and can be fitted with stinger missiles. Low profile and price is the primary advantage. 2. Goalkeeper, good firepower, and lower profile than Phalanx, but logistical support, weight and size might be a problem, besides aviliability. 3. Phalanx, reliable, proven and in use by ROCN now are the primary advantages. But might be too tall to fit. Weight might also be a problem. Logistical support, aviliability and price and the advantages. Upgrading the 40mm guns with anti-missile capability is something that SHUOLD be done. |
Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/24 16:51 | |
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unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/24 17:00 | |
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Albert: can you give an assessment on the capabilities of various CIWS systems aviliable? Like range, response time, etc. Thank you. |
sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/24 18:17 | |
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sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/25 21:44 | |
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®ÇÆ[ªÌ2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/26 15:55 | |
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sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/26 21:31 | |
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unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/26 22:15 | |
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Sohonor: Do you know why RN choose Phalanx 1B over Goalkeeper? The comments at indicates that other than weight and size(shouldnt be a problem here), Goalkeeper seems to be a better CIWS system and RN is already using it. As for fitting with 8 SM2s, rather than ASROC, why not just any mix depends on the mission? One thing SM2 can do but ESSM cant is to shoot down high flying planes thats providing ¹p¹F°Ñ¼Æ for SSMs. |
Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/27 01:49 | |
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¤p¤ò ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/27 02:19 | |
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unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/27 13:58 | |
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RAM uses proximity fuse while 20mm and 30mm rounds kill via direct hit. So its very hard to compare things this way.... RAMªº¼uÀY±þ¶Ë¤O±j but with §Ö¯¥ youve got a lot more lead being throw at the missile. Another thing to consider is that Exocet is oe of the smaller/lighter SSMs out there. The Russian heavy weights will be much harder to bring down. |
sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/28 22:06 | |
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¤p¤ò ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/29 00:45 | |
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unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/29 01:56 | |
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The problem is that evne if all 11 missiles are used on a single target. The proximity fuse warhead might not do enough damage to stop a ton+ supersonic diving missile. |
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/29 03:39 | |
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some corrections: evne -> even The Phalanx system have a 1.5km range only supposedly..... RAMs range is classified, but I think its longer than 8km and shorter than 15nm from variosu sources. (can anyone give some good data here here??) Speed should be about 2~2.5 mach. So the first missile should be fired about 36seconds before the ASCM can hit the ship. (12km or so away) The firerate of the system is still unknown for us. As for how effective the RAMs are against big and heavy supersonic ASCWs, i have no idea. But Exocet is about as small and light as it gets. |
Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/29 19:43 | |
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sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/30 00:21 | |
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sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/30 01:38 | |
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Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/30 22:06 | |
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sohonor ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/30 23:36 | |
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unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/31 00:39 | |
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Albert ¡@©ó¡@2002/07/31 22:06 | |
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unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/08/03 02:47 | |
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Some thoughts about what we can do to ¦¨¥\ after ROCN get those AFCON Corvettes. Move the sonars and ASW systems from Knox, and load the MK13 with some ASROC. Then if possible, give the MK13 the ability to launch Harpoon, and upgrade the fire control radar to a SM2 compatiable one. Then load the HF2 launchers with 8 SM2s instead. Then remove the 76mm gun (or the 2 40mm guns) and replace it with a 20 missile VLS for ¼C¤G (ESSM might be trouble some here). Add programmable pre-fragmentation rounds to the 40mm (/76mm) guns and faster fire controls to allows the guns to be used in the anti-missile role effectively. This way well get an ASW ship thats very capable of protecting itself. And a nice replacement for the Knox. (anti-surface ability is some how sacrifaced here but 8 harpoons + some medium caliber guns + 20 SM1s + 8 SM2s are atill pretty formadable) |
¤p¤ò ¡@©ó¡@2002/08/03 06:43 | |
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unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/08/04 13:42 | |
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Oh, and I forgot the space in front of the MK13. The options there i think are: 1: a low profile CIWS |
unnamed ¡@©ó¡@2002/08/05 02:36 | |
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¤p¤ò: I think the ¦¨¥\ should still be upgraded so it can shoulder the ASW role together with ±d©w and maybe DDG963 in ROCN. I dont think any serious upgrading to the Knox is worth it because: 1. The lack of suitable ª½ª@¾÷s. So i think if ROCN can get a lot of AAW specialized Corvettes, then it should fit the ¦¨¥\ with more advanced ASW ability to replace the role now Know plays together with ±d©w. 2 x ª½ª@¾÷ is a great asset in ASW. ±d©w have it own sets of problems though... lack of space for upgrades in weaponary seems the biggest one. Good sonars, but the radar and combat systems leaves something to be desired....... ¼C¤G will probablly be the most logical coming upgrade if CIST can integrate the French systems with their own. http://pub14.ezboard.com/fwarandpoliticsfrm38.showMessage?topicID=481.topic are some views about how ©Ôªk¸ is inadequate in the future French Navy, and some good talks about radars. Also note the fact PLAN are going with larger and larger ships in the future... a 8000T line after LuHai, and a 2500~3000T line after JiangWei. These are well armed modern ships, and there will be LOTS of it. So i guess its time for ROCN to gain some tonnage. |
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