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Ä_¿û, ­º¿û¤§¬y,¤j·§¸¨«á¤¤¿û¤T¤Q¦~¥H¤W.
Well, quite disagree with you on this, esp for Ä_¿û.

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Liu ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/24 22:10
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> Ä_¿û, ­º¿û¤§¬y,¤j·§¸¨«á¤¤¿û¤T¤Q¦~¥H¤W.
> Well, quite disagree with you on this, esp for Ä_¿û.
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Liu ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/24 22:18
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to SK2
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SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/24 22:24
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The range is about 3 to 5 years i think, I have been there three years before, on a field trip made by my school.

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Liu ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/24 22:40
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to SK2.
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Liu ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/24 22:44
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> The range is about 3 to 5 years i think, I have been there
> three years before, on a field trip made by my school.
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SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2002/01/24 22:47
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But one of the main problem is, can you find the air intake for the gas turbine for the LuHai? Thats the fact, unless there are some new inventions.
Hey, I am still studying, but I have learn some more additional information from my own. There are difference, but I think that a country that has made machines and steel for more than 50 years cant be so backward.

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