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Skywalker-Luke ¡@©ó¡@2002/06/27 23:57 | |
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©«´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/16 08:17 Re:¦³Ãö¤j³°ªº¶W7 ¦P®ÉÁÙn¬Ý¶W¤C¶Z¥~§ðÀ»¯à¤O,¬Ý¥L¯àµo®gþºØAAM,(¦n¹³¥i¥Hµo®gR-77??, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ©«´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/16 08:39 §@ªÌ [email protected] (gdi), ¬ÝªO weapon RD93ªº¨Ï¥Î¨ÏFC1ªºªZ¾¹¸ü«¶q¹F¨ì3.8¾·¡CFC1±o¨ì¦Ì°ª´³]p§½´£¨Ñªº³]p«t¸ß¡A¦¨³£¸? ³ø¹DÁnºÙ¹p¹F¤õ±±¨t²Î³Ì²×«¬¸¹ÁÙ¥¼¿ï©w¡C¶q²£«¬FC1ÅãµM¤£·|¸Ë³Æ2032¹p¹F¡C¤¤°ê¶i¤f¤F? ³Ì·s¥Xª©ªº¸â¤ó©P¥Z©ÜÅS¬°´£°ªFC1ªº¾ÞÁa©Ê¯à¡A¦¨³£¸¾÷¤½¥q¬°¨ä¬ã¨î¤F·s¤@¥Nªº¤G¾l«× -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ©«´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/16 09:20 ¶â.Ãö©óIDF¤ÞÀºªº±À¤O,®£©ÈÁÙn¬Ý¬O¦b¤°»ò±¡ªp¤Uªº¥X¤O,¤£¦P°ª«×©M³t«× -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kidd ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/16 12:00 ÁöµM¶W¤C¦b¤ÞÀº³]³Æ¤W¥i¯à¤ñ¸g°ê¸¹n¦n¤W³\¦h, ¦ýÅ¥»¡¥¦ªº§@¾Ô¥b®|·|¤Ö©ó¸g°ê¸¹¤£ª¾¬O¯u¬O°²? ¦]IDFªº§@¾Ô¥b®|¤]À³¥u¦³¬ù600KM§a! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- toga ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/16 15:27 ½Ö¥i¥H±À´ú¤j¬ù¤¤»¦~«á¶W¤CªA§Ð«áIDF¤É¯Åªº±¡ªp©O? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ©«´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/16 21:23 IDF¥HªA§Ðªñ¤Q¦~,´Nºâ¤Q¦~«á§Ṵ́õ¦æº~µ¾ªº¤É¯Åp¹º,¨ì®ÉÔn±¹ï¤¤°êªº -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kidd ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/16 23:50 ¥»·QIDFÁö¤w¯Ó¥Î¤F¨Ç¤G¥N¾÷8000¤p®Éªº¹Ø©R, ¦ý¸gº~µ¾ªº©µ¹Ø§ï¸Ë¥i¦A¦hÓ3000¤p®É, ¥B¦]Å¥»¡¶W¤C¥Dn¬°¤Ú°ò´µ©Z©Ò»s¦b©Ê¯à¤W³»¦h¹FF-16, ªp¥B¦¹¾÷¥Ø«e¶È¦bPrototypeªº¶¥¬q¹ê¦b¤]¤£À³§â¥¦®³¨Ó»P¦¨x¤wªñ¤Q¦~ªºIDF§@¤ñ¸û. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T.A.K.U. ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/17 00:42 I dont think FC-1 is nice! Aerodynamic is too conserve. And price would not be cheap bcoz FC-1 cant export to so many country. So the price will be realy high( around 20 million dollars! 250 will be produced unless PRC buy FC-1 due to failure of J-10!!) Upgrading MiG-21 is more money-saving! And FC-1 seems to be poor countries weapon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kidd ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/17 02:02 To T.A.K.U. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T.A.K.U. ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/17 02:29 My guess: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kidd ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/17 03:35 But, I thought PLAAF has obtained some H-6U refueling tankers. Even though they are not the best in its class. FC-1 will be in production in the next say 3 to 5 years. I believe by then it should most likely possesses some type of refueling receptacles. By then, ROCAF should have probabily standardized its Mirage2000 as well as IDF having mid-air refueling ability as well. Since from my understanding that only F-16A/B block 20 MLU in ROCAF has retained this device. Another word, ROC should obtain a refueling tanker of some kind, possibily the Boeing KC-130 Hercules tanker or KC-135 Stratotanker and its variants to counter PLAAFs air refueling capability. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T.A.K.U. ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/18 00:02 To Kidd: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kidd ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/18 03:54 To T.A.K.U: However, I do agree w/ you on the part of SSK R/D, Cruise missiles, perhaps, MRSM. Since personally I believe after Tien Kung III/ the purchase of Patriot 3, Enough $$$ for TMD already (50% guarantee if lucky anyway). Unless is ship based such as the aegis system, $$$ should be spent on SRBM & MRBM R/D. |
Skywalker-Luke ¡@©ó¡@2002/06/27 23:58 | |
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§Ú´N¬O§Ú ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/18 22:08 Re:¦³Ãö¤j³°ªº¶W7 To T.A.K.U: °Ï°ÏS-300PMU1©Î¬Æ¦Ü§ï¨}«¬FT-2000¤S¦p¦ó, ¥u«ë¦Û¤v¤£·|¶}¸¾÷§ó§O´£¾Ô¾÷¤F, ¤@¥¹§A©ÒÃö¤ßªº¤H¨Æª«¾D¯}Ãa¿äÆn´N¥i¯à³à¥¢²z´¼. ¦p§Ú±N·|¬O²Ä¤@Ó»âx(°²³]§Ú·|¶}¾Ô¾÷ªº¸Ü)¥_¶§ð¤J¤º³°Å§À». §Ú´N¤£¬Û«HÁפ£¶}¥¦ªºRange. ©Ò¥Hto me, tankers are needed! for special missions! A:«i®ð¥i¹Å¡A¦ý¬O¹L¤À¤pòó»´©¿¹ï¤â»P¥ô°È»Ý¨D©MÃø«×¡]§A©Ò±¹ïªº¹ï¤â·|¬O¥u¦³¡§°Ï°Ï¡¨ªºS300©MFT-2000¶Ü¡H¡H§An¦p¦ó¦b¹ï©¤»âªÅªíºtªÅ¤¤¥[ªo¡A¥H°õ¦æ¤º³°¥´À»¥ô°È¡H¡H¡^¤£¥u·|®`¦º¦Û¤v¡A§ó·|³s²Ö°lÀH¶¤¤Í¡C ·íµM¦pªG¤¤³~¦³¸ô¹LBejing, Shanghai or hk ªº¸Ü·|¥ý³qª¾§A¤@ÁnªºÅo!! A:©Ò¥H³Ì«áÁÙ¬On®³¥¥Á·í¹v¬O¶Ü............ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kidd ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/18 23:58 To §Ú´N¬O§Ú¥S: A. ÁöµM´Ý§Ô¦ý¦pªG³o¼Ë¯à²×¤î¹ï©¤ªº«I²¤...(¦³x¨Æµ¦²¤»ùÈ) >>«i®ð¥i¹Å¡A¦ý¬O¹L¤À¤pòó»´©¿¹ï¤â»P¥ô°È»Ý¨D©MÃø«×¡]§A©Ò±¹ïªº¹ï¤â·|¬O¥u¦³¡§°Ï°Ï¡¨ªºS300©MFT-2000¶Ü¡H¡H§An¦p¦ó¦b¹ï©¤»âªÅªíºtªÅ¤¤¥[ªo¡A¥H°õ¦æ¤º³°¥´À»¥ô°È¡H¡H¡^¤£¥u·|®`¦º¦Û¤v¡A§ó·|³s²Ö°lÀH¶¤¤Í¡C A. ·íµM¤£¬On¤j®a¯E¯E¿º¿º¥h·í¯«·¯S§ð¶¤, Áö»¡¦p§Ú¥S¤ÎT.A.K.U.¥S´£Ãø«×«Ü°ª, ¦ýtanker ·|µ¥Ô¦b«nÁú©¾²M¥_¹Dªº¾÷³õªþªñ....Special mission ¹À, ¦p¦´Áªº½»½¿¤¤¶¤´NÀ³ºÉ¥i¯àÁ×¶}¦a±©Î¤WªÅªº¹îı»PŧÀ». >>·íµM¦pªG¤¤³~¦³¸ô¹LBejing, Shanghai or hk ªº¸Ü·|¥ý³qª¾§A¤@ÁnªºÅo!! >>©Ò¥H³Ì«áÁÙ¬On®³¥¥Á·í¹v¬O¶Ü............ A. §Ú¥u¬O¡§¤¤³~¡¨¸ô¹LÅýT.A.K.U.¥Sª¾¹D¤@¤U, ·Ç³Æ¥h¬å¦³x¨Æµ¦²¤§Q¥Î»ùȪºTarget¨Ã¤£¬OÀݱþµL¶d. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- §Ú´N¬O§Ú ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/19 00:50 >>¤T®l¤ôÅò¤@¥¹¬µÀì¡A¥þ¤¤°ê1/4~1/5ªº¤H¤f±N²_¬°ªi¦Ú¡A¤ñ¤Q´XªT®Ö¼u©Ò¯à±a¨Óªº«Â¯Ù¯}Ãa¤j¦h¤F...... AA: A. ·íµM¤£¬On¤j®a¯E¯E¿º¿º¥h·í¯«·¯S§ð¶¤, Áö»¡¦p§Ú¥S¤ÎT.A.K.U.¥S´£Ãø«×«Ü°ª, ¦ýtanker ·|µ¥Ô¦b«nÁú©¾²M¥_¹Dªº¾÷³õªþªñ....Special mission ¹À, ¦p¦´Áªº½»½¿¤¤¶¤´NÀ³ºÉ¥i¯àÁ×¶}¦a±©Î¤WªÅªº¹îı»PŧÀ». AA: ¦b¤U¥H¬°¡ATANKER¥Ø«e³Ì¦³®Äªº§Q¥Î¤è¦¡¬O³¡ÄÝ©ó¥xÆWªF¤è©Î«n¤è¥~®ü¡A»·Â÷¤¤¦@¸Ñ©ñªÅx¡þ¨¾ªÅ¸¼u¤õ¤O½d³ò¥i¤Î¤§³B¡A·í§Ú½üµf¤W°}ªº¨¾ªÅ¡þ¤ÏÄ¥¾Ô¾÷¾÷¸s¦b¥x®ü¤WªÅ»P¼Ä¤è®üªÅx¥æ¾W¦ÜªoºÉ¤§»Ú¡A«K½ü¬y°hÁצܸӳB¶i¦æªÅ¤¤¥[ªo¡A¤Ï¨¦A¾Ô¡A¦p¦¹·í¯à¹ïºû«ùªÅx«ùÄòªÅ¨¾¡þ®ü¨¾¦³©Ò§U¯q¡Q¦Ü©ó²`¤J¥´À»¤è±¡A¦Ü¤Ö±oµ¥ªøµ{¨µ¯è¸¼u¡þ¤Ï¿ç®g¸¼u¡A¥H¤ÎJSF¡þ¯e·¤§¬yªº¥ý¶i¥´À»¾Ô¾÷¤J§Ð¤§«á¡A¤~¯à¦A§@¸Ô²Ó¦Ò¼{¡C -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kidd ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/19 01:26 To§Ú´N¬O§Ú¥S: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ¤pº§À ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/19 01:48 kidd¥S |
Skywalker-Luke ¡@©ó¡@2002/06/28 00:00 | |
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©«´µ¯S ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/20 07:35 Re:¦³Ãö¤j³°ªº¶W7 >¦ýYn¹F¨ì12000LBªº±À¤O¡M¤ÞÀºªÖ©wn§ï¸Ë¡M¥i¹w¨£ªº¬O¤ÞÀº«¶q¼W¥[¡M·|¤ñ¸û>¯Óªo¡M¦ý¥Ñ©ó¬O¥þ¼Æ¦ì±±¨î¡M¤£·|Ãa¨ì¨º¥h¡T -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T.A.K.U. ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/20 11:29 To Kidd: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kidd ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/20 13:24 T.A.K.U. ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/20 11:29 >>And taiwans recon power is too weak, no spy satellite, no planes like RC135, EC-130...), -- I thought we just got Isrealis assistance on the satellite issue?? >>P.S. Kidd, where are you living? In US , or UK??? And are you under 20??? -- Why do u want to know?? :) R u trying to spy on me?? blahaha...
-- The rumored F-117 ROC special squdron in training? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YORK HU ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/20 13:27 TO; KIDD, §Ú´N¬O§Ú -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kidd ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/20 14:04 To York¥S: µù¤pº§Àª©¥D, ¤p§Ì§Ú¤@¤£¤p¤ßdouble post¤F,½ÐÀ°§Ú§R¤@¤U. ÁÂÁÂ!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- §Ú´N¬O§Ú ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/20 21:09 TO; KIDD, §Ú´N¬O§Ú 2.Ynµo®i2000~3000km¥H¤Wµ¥¯Åªººë½T¾É¤Þ¶Wªøµ{¶Z¥~§ðÀ»¸¼uªº¸Ü¡A©Ò±¹ïªº°ÝÃD´N²³æ¦h¤F¡G¦b¤£¦Ò¶q®Ö¼uÀYªºª¬ªp¤U¡AY¸Ó«¬¸¼u¬O¼u¹D¸¼uªº¸Ü¡A¥xÆW¥un§JªA¨â¤T¿©ó¦Ñ¦@·Q¥H¤¤µuµ{¦a¦a¼u¬ï³z©Ò¦³¨¾¿m¡Aºë½T©R¤¤¥xÆW¾Ô²¤«Âí®É©Ò±¹ï¤§§xÃø§Y¥i¡Q¦pªG¬O¨µ¯è¸¼uªº¸Ü¡A¥¦¥un¯à¬ï³z¸¶V¼Æ¿¤D¦Ü¼Æ¤Q¿©ó§ð¥x¨µ¯è¸¼u©Ò»Ý¬ï³zªº¾Ô²¤Áa²`¡A¤£³Qµo²{À»¸¨¬J¥i¡A³o¬O¦h¼¯»´¦Ó©öÁ|ªº¤@¥ó¨Æ°Ú¡I¡I¡I¡I 3.¾É¼uºë½T«×¤]¤£¥²¤Ó°ª¡ACEP¥un¦b100¤½¤Ø¥ª¥k¬J¥i¡A¤£¹L´N¬O¦Ñ¬ü¤T¤e´uD5 SLBMªº©R¤¤ºë«×¶Ü¡I¡I¡I¡I 4.¨Æ¦¨¤§«á¡A¥xÆWn¦³³Q¦]1/5~1/4¥H¤W¤H¥Á²_¬°ªi¦Ú¡A¤w¸g¥¢¥h²z©Êªº¤¤°ê¥Î®Ö¥Í¤ÆªZ¾¹ÅF¦¨¦ÇÂuªº¤ß²z·Ç³Æ¡]©ÈÔ£¡I¡H¥xÆW¤H¥H¤£©È¦º»D¦W°ê»Ú¡A¦óÄߤ§¦³¡H¡H¨â©¤¶¡«á¥N¤l®]¬O§_·|ÞÞ¬Û³ø¤S»P§Ú¦ó¤z¡H¡H§ó¦óªp¥H¤Q´«¤@¡A¥xÆW¤H¤w¬OÁȰ÷¥»¤F¡A´Nºâ³Q±O·À¬pªñ¤S¦³¦ó§«¡H¡H¤W§a¡I¡Iªü«ó¤§Áè¡I¡I¡^ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T.A.K.U. ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/20 22:22 To Kidd, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- kidd ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/21 10:25 To T.A.K.U.: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ¤pº§À ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/21 10:28 >About F-117, there was a sighting of a F-117 (U.S. lend to Taiwan for special mission purposes) been used by ROCAF under training at around of the Taiwans dam a couple of months ago. Again, this might be well be a rumer... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T.A.K.U. ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/21 18:28 To KIDD, |
Skywalker-Luke ¡@©ó¡@2002/06/28 00:01 | |
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Skywalker ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/21 18:51 Re:¦³Ãö¤j³°ªº¶W7 ¤W±´X¦ì¡A«ç»ò¶V§è¶V»· kidd ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/22 02:01 To T.A.K.U.: Back to PLAAF Super 7!! To Skywalker¥S: §Ú¥H¬°¶W¤C¤w¦bprototype´ú¸Õªº¶¥¬q, 2003¦~¥ª¥k¶}©l¥Í²£¡S -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Skywalker ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/22 08:56 ÄèÀ»¤C¾Ô¾÷l¥Í«¬µo®i¦p¤U¡G -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ®ÇÆ[ªÌ2 ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/22 11:48 ¾Ôª§¬O¸Ñ¨M¤HÃþ°ÝÃDªº³Ì´Ý§Ôªº¤â¬q -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ¤pº§À ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/22 15:36 ®ÇÆ[ªÌ2¥S, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T.A.K.U. ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/23 00:24 Just one word: I dont want to see PRC and ROC to start war. And I think Taiwanese has prejudice to Chinese, while Chinese is too stubborn and rude. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- boy ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/23 13:34 http://www.bingqi.net/china/airforce/image/su- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- T-98A1H1 ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/24 19:27 Dont make any daydream to attack ¤T®l¤ôÅò .The similar samples in the World War 2 0r in the Vietnam war have shown that only 20000 lbs or heavier bomb can destory a medium reservior dam,let alone ¤T®l¤ôÅò .Even though the problem of distance is neglected, I cant imagine any current TW weapons can carry such a large warhead. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ¤pº§À ¡@©ó¡@2001/08/24 19:51 ¦A¦¸Án©ú¡M¶W7¡T¶W7¡T |
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