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Whoever dreamed of this Operation Jaguar wanting to purchase 1000 M1A1 main battletanks for Taiwan must be going completely nuts!
About attack helicopter gunships, personally I think the biggest threat towards the gunships are not from below but from above. Without adequate air cover the survival of the gunships are a lot lower. I dont believe the arsenals of SAMS and other AAAs carried by PLA are as accurate as their manufacturers claim. ...

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On the other hand, perhaps this Project Jaguar is not about buying main battle tanks at all - it is replacing all the Nissan Cefiros and Benz limos currently in the RoC government service with Jaguar S-types and XJRs....^_^

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Thanks a lot for the reply.
Glad to know that at least there are still brains within the Army as far as swapping °ê¥ú¸¹s diesel engines (whole engines or parts only) with those of the M48s in service.
I am a complete idiot in military matters. Perhaps you can enlighten me on what kind of the main battle tank the Japs intend buying for their Self-defence force in the coming decade. The Japanese landscape/geographical attributes and the basic defence requirements are a lot closer to us. As far as I can figure out, many of their major provincial and secondary roads are not suitable for the monstrous 70-ton main battle tanks such as M1A1. Their defence requirement will be a lot different to the normal US/NATO doctrine and the brass in the RoC Army will find some interesting points of they take the Japanese land defence strategy as references (although they do not face the same level of threat as we do in Taiwan).

Talking about the Japanese, perhaps someone in this column can tell me the development of the Japans own AWACs. (the ones with Boeing 767s as basic platform). I wonder how does it compare to USs E3A sentry and the Russians Mainstays.

Oh, someone upstairs mentioned that artillery is the firegod of infantry. Agreed. Artillery is especially effective against light infantry. However, without sifficient air cover artillery is like sitting duck. Soviet Military doctrines in the 1980s places lots of emphasis on the artillery in support of the advancing armour vehicles. The Iraqis (and PLA, no doubt) copied it to the book. Look at what happened in the Gulf War? But the effective artillery still has its place. The close I came to witness it was going on a demo arranged by the SANDF when they fired G6 self-propelled 155 mm cannon. I must say it was very impressive when the target 39 Km away was blown apart......just imagine you sit in ¤¤Ãc and hitting a target in Taipei city....

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Once again, thanks for providing me with all the info...
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Aye, thats another story. The G6 were available for sale but Taiwan bought something else (with Singapore-manufactured rounds, can you believe it?) in 1992....>.<
At that time I didnt believe what Singapore could provide can match the rounds made for G6. Then again, you know the tendering process was a bit flawed, to say the least....

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Oh yes, by the way, this thing only weight 27 tons and its a lot cheaper......^^
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/rooikat.htm

A few months ago I was cruising on the freeway in a sunny and relaxed Saturday afternoon. All of a sudden I saw this convoy of 10 rooikat whirled passing me ( I was doing about 105 km/h on the freeway at that time)...obviously these armoured vehicle jockeys were on the way to some BBQ party.....^^

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¤pº­§À ¡@©ó¡@2001/01/10 22:23
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DH,
Actually,I completely have no idea about the howizer deal with Singapore. Speaking of the ammunition, I think Taiwan can produce her own. So there is no reason to purchase additional from Singapore.

I will prefer G6 instead of M109 for army. However, for marine, maybe M109 will be more suitable than G6.
Just like you obseverd, army do need some kind of fast deployable SP Gun like G6.
However, I still have no idea why G6 was not considered. Maybe some country was not happy. :P

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DH ¡@©ó¡@2001/01/10 23:03
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That deal with Singapore happened in 1992 and it was not so much of a public knowledge, as far as I am aware. I knew that the poor sales Rep for G6 got told to sit in the hotel for 6 weeks and eventually some colonel in the TW army told him to get lost. You see, it was not some country was not happy. The RoC army had the chance and the G6 was there to be bought. RoC didnt want to buy the G6 for some unknown reasons.
There was no arms embargo in reality. In 1989 Iraq managed to buy a batch of G5s (200 of them, I think) from S Africa (some of these never seen any actions at all - they have been destroyed by the US bombings in Desert Storm)

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DH,
I still have no idea about the deal with Singpore. The reason I thought some country may not be happy becasue that country tried to sale M109 to Taiwan. So.....

Lot pigheads in ROC army. sigh!

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DH ¡@©ó¡@2001/01/11 04:59
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¤pº­§À:
Anyway, that was 8 years ago. There were more of this kind of things behind the scenes. Since then this place is under different management and the over-the-counter official arms sale policies have changed somewhat.
In the last few years the PLA have sent some of their guys here trying to procure vital defence technologies especially in the area of long-range artilleries and armoured vehicles. At each local defence shows one can always see some badly-dressed PLA guys wondering around with skewed beret and broken English. It was quite a sight to see them wondering around and asking questions..... Despite the portrayed good relationship between the two countries, they(the PLA) havent gone very far in getting any technologies....

However, Taiwan eventually did get something from this place. A while ago this was hot topic for speculation in the local press. Watch the question I will post in this site upstairs.....^^

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¤pº­§À ¡@©ó¡@2001/01/11 06:13
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DH
I will keep my eyes peeled! ^_^


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