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Armstrong ¡@©ó¡@2001/04/09 12:54
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Excuse me for bugging in here.
I just don't understand all these american-bashings
are all about.
Things like the American never respect anybody...(YAH,
like the chinese really respect everyone ??).
I simply just don't understand why many people in Taiwan
are supporting the chinese side of the story.
One of the main reason behind the recent increase
in the U.S. reconnaisances around the chinese coast is the
increasing chinese military presence in the area, which
directly threatens the national security of Taiwan. Even
Admiral Dennis Blair, commander of the U.S. pacific fleet,
admitted that more the U.S. know about the chinese military
the less likely the chinese will contemplate attacking
Taiwan (see MSNBC news article last friday). Basically,
the 24 U.S. air crews are INDIRECTLY doing Taiwan a favor,
not to mention the possibility that the U.S. will probably
share with Taiwan part of the intelligence they gathered.
The american air crews were more than 70 miles off the
coast of China doing HARMLESS intelligent gathering.... and
this is supposed to imply the American has no respect for
the chinese????
When the chinese were firing missiles to areas less
than 30 miles (That's right, only 30 miles !!)
off our harbors, why some of these same people never
uttered a word about the chinese dis-repect for us ????
What a bunch of the pathetic people..... no idea about who
are our friends and who are our enemy. If today, the 24
American crews were killed in the accident, I don't know if
any of these pathetic people were ever know that they died
because, in some indirect way, they were doing something to
enhance the security of Taiwan?
When one day the chinese decided to attack Taiwan,
it is the americans (that's right, the arrogant americans)
who are mostly likely to sacrifice their sons' and daughters'
lifes to defend Taiwan. That's right!! No other country
in the world will ever come to our rescue. Just look at
those spineless Europeans and Japanese.
For me, it is ridiculous for people in Taiwan to lament
for the missing chinese pilot(I thought he deserved !!)
while pointing fingers at the "dis-respectful" Americans....
Gosh.... what a bunch of pathetic people.....
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ck ¡@©ó¡@2001/04/09 13:34
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F104 ¡@©ó¡@2001/04/09 14:25
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Dear Armstrong:
you are so right!
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Armstrong ¡@©ó¡@2001/04/09 16:21
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Dear F104,
I just find it strange that for some people,
an UNARMED U.S. reconnaissance plane flying 70 miles off
the chinese coast is a sure sign of American disrepect
for china, while the chinese missiles, landed only 30 miles
off our harbors, were not considered "dis-respectful" ???
The whole farce is really a reflection of the chinese
society. So far, we only heard from the chinese pilot(s)
concerning what went wrong a week ago. It is really strange
that the chinese do not allow the american pilots to voice
their side of story. The most unbelievable part is that
they want the U.S. to apologize .... without the U.S. fully
understands and knows the cause of the incident. I guess
the whole affair reflects well the chinese concept of "justice":
the story is always told from the standpoint of the
government !! What i can't believe is that they really
think that with hostages in their hands, the American President
will wholeheartedly kowtow and apologize to them??
I guess Taiwan is fortunate enough to have an adversary who is
almost completely out of touch with the modern world. It is
difficult for Taiwan to score any political or strategical
victories against china in the international arena. However,
our adversary is so clumsy that it is already good enough for
us to wait for them to make mistakes after mistakes. I always
thought the U.S. is a reasonable country. They apologized to
the Japanese earlier this year and the U.S. also apologized
for the Belgrad bombing. However, for them to ask the U.S. to
apologize for this incident, without U.S. knowing what exact
happend from the American pilots, I believe the chinese are
asking too much this time.
I don't believe that Taiwan will get the Aegis this year,
even if the standoff between U.S. and China last till the end
of month. However, people around Bush, such as Chenney, Rice,
Powell and Rumsfeld, are smart and calculating and some of
them are even hawkish. I am pretty sure that they know how
to get back at the chinese at the appropriate time in the
future. For Taiwan, the most favorable news is the american's
opinion towards china. When Letterman, Leno and Saturday Night
Live start to mock the incident and the chinese, it is a sure
sign of a emerging new evil empire in the American psyche ..
I just can't say that this is not good for Taiwan....
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YORK HU ¡@©ó¡@2001/04/09 16:49
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henryhsu ¡@©ó¡@2001/04/09 16:57
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Armstrong ¡@©ó¡@2001/04/09 17:17
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Usually, when a plane makes a turn, it will reduce the plane's
forward velocity. If J-8 and the EP-3 were flying in
parallel, it is most likely that, with 400 meters between
them, after EP-3 had made the turn, the J-8 would be
in front of the EP-3 (assuming J-8 kept the same velocity
throughout)....
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