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Luke-Skywalker ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/22 21:16
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No.1 M. E. ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 03:48
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fer-de-lance ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 07:40
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>Not really, on the contrary very little blood is spilled, and very little mess
bacause the prey is swallowed whole. Just look at how those big cats
and hyenas feed, and you will understand the term ¡ubloody mess¡v.

It is a matter of perspective really. Spectator or someone who has to deal with the mess ..

Believe me, I have actually seen two very large cats tear apart an unfortunate water buffalo. With that type of a bloody mess you can do very little other than burying the scraps - if there was anything left.

With Bothrops venom, the mess is inside. The venom contains enzymes that break down (digesting) tissues like muscles. There are also proteins that interfere with blood clotting.

Bothrops atrox venom prevents clotting leading to internal bleeding and awful swelling. As you said, the punctures are small and there is no messy bleeding on the outside. But cut the wound open and you will see a real mess - awful tissue death (necrosis) that requires debridement (cutting away).

Bothrops asper venom, in contrast, causes clotting, exacerbating tissue damage by choking off the blood supply. Seeing a few drops of the stuff clot a test tube full of blood should send chills up anyone s spine. Think of that as someone s leg and what the vascular surgeon have to do to try and save it. Victims of B. asper bites - those fortunate enough to survive - often lose bits of their anatomy like fingers, toes or even limbs.

Kids like big explosions (spectaclar external injuries) but a thermite grenade fusing the mechanism and locking an artillery piece in train and elevation (subtle internal injury) would be just as effective in disabling it.


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³·­· ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 09:34
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>>I have actually seen two very large cats tear apart an unfortunate water buffalo.

Wow! so Mr. fer-de-lance used to stay in Africa? or other jungle countires?


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Luke-Skywalker ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 09:42
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fer-de-lance ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 11:26
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>Africa?

No. The two large cats were tigers - very LARGE tigers ...


NO:57_9
Ghostwolf ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 12:04
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>>Bothrops atrox venom prevents clotting leading to internal bleeding and awful >>swelling.

Fer-de-lance venom is related to trypsin and thrombin, that is why the venom has the myolytic, proteolytic, and anticoagualative properties. The swelling of the tissue is caused by the lysis of the blood vessel wall, causing the blood to flow into the interstitial spaces. Under that condition you will have to cut open the area surrounding the bite mark to alleviate the pressure, otherwise the swelled up tissues will constrict other blood vessel, and the tissues will die due to hypoxia, and the ultimate treatment for that may be amputation, if the patient has not expired due to cardiac arrest already. Administration of antivenom is also an absolute must in all cases, but the antivenom can also causes allergic reactions in some snake bit patients.

The lethal dose¡]LD¡^of fer-de-lance venom for a human is about 50mg, but the snake usually injects more than 90mg of venom per bite, that is why it is usually considered as an urgent medical emergency.


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SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 12:13
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>bacause the prey is swallowed whole. Just look at how those big cats
>and hyenas feed, and you will understand the term ¡ubloody mess¡v.

not only big cats will feed bloody messy, eve ordinary cats will also, especially when they live in the wild for a while...the cats in my old school can catch alot of small animals, and they really made places bloody messy.....the last thing you can see for their prey is always ONLY the head and the tail, and blood everywhere in the classroom, which is similar to a crime scene, or it is a crime scene also......


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toga ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 13:36
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No.1 M. E. ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 14:00
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toga ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 14:14
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fer-de-lance ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 14:50
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Actually, domestic cats leaving bits of their kills behind is thought to be based on old pack behavior. Some animal behavior experts speculate that the cat regards its human master as the leader of the pride. Kills are shared with their human leader. It s a tribute ...

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jumbo ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 15:11
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Ghostwolf ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 16:28
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SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 17:04
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Kills are shared with their human leader. It s a tribute ...

ya, it did shared with me a live mouse, in the early morning...its really surprising, especially when you see such things in EARLY morning...

however, sometimes its for their additional meal instead of the tribute...


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Luke-Skywalker ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 17:30
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Luke-Skywalker ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 19:19
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Ghostwolf ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 19:54
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Type 45 ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 20:07
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I remember USN never keep the infomation of retaired ship in their site

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Luke-Skywalker ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/23 20:18
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SK2 ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/25 02:19
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³·­· ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/25 07:06
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fer-de-lance ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/25 10:26
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That is what the movie showed. It was actually an M-10 Tank Destroyer from the 601st Tank Destroyer Battalion supporting Murphy s Company B, 15th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Infantry Div. There probably were not any M-10s easily available for the film in 1955, they had all been retired from the US Army.

Reading the accounts of the action near Holtzwihr, 26 January, 1945 in which Murphy earned his Medal of Honor, I thought the movie understated the real drama of the battle. It was January, the skies were overcast and the battlefield was covered in snow. The attacking German infantrymen were Gebirgsjaegers from the elite 2nd Mountain Divisions. They were wearing white camo smocks and were not spotted until they got quite close (maybe 1,700m).

Company B had been decimated in the attack to take the woods near Holtzwihr the previous day. All the officers except Murphy were dead and there were only 18 men left available for action out of the original 120. Reinforcements had failed to arrive and Murphy only had the two Tank Destroyers and less than 2 squads to defend his position. Then the Germans attacked with approximately 2 companies of Mountain Troops supported by 6 Panther tanks.

Both US Tank Destroyers were soon put out of action. One was set on fire after being hit by tank fire which killed the commander and the gunner. The other ran into a ditch and could not bring its guns to bear. Murphy ordered his men to fall back after one of his machinegun positions was destroyed by enemy tank fire. The only thing that could stop the attack was artillery.

Murphy figured that it only took one person to direct it so there was no sense putting the rest of his men at risk. Murphy stayed in his position shooting at the Germans with his carbine while directing artillery fire. When he ran out of ammunition for his carbine, Murphy noticed the M2 (Mod Deuce) 50 calmachine gun on the burning Tank Destroyer. Murphy took his field telephone with him to the Tank Destroyer and removed the dead commander from the 50 cal machine gun position. He used the 50 cal with deadly effect on the German infantry while continuing to direct artillery fire. This went on for a whole hour. Smoke from the burning Tank Destroyer and the noise of the artillery prevented the Germans from pin-pointing the source of the deadly 50 cal fire. Who would be crazy enough not to escape from the burning vehicle?

With the infantry pinned down the Panthers did not dare advance for fear of American bazooka teams in the woods. The Panthers did hit the burning Tank Destroyer twice with their fire and almost knocked Murphy off on to the ground. However, Murphy continued to fire eventhough the concussion re-opened a wound in his hip he was recovering from.

At one point, some German Mountain Troops reached a ditch to the right and within 10m of Murphy, but they also did not spot Murphy because of the smoke. Murphy mowed them all down with the 50 cal, leaving the bodies stacked on top of each other. By this time, Murphy was calling down artillery fire right on top of his own position. US artillery shells were landing all around Murphy and amongst the Germans. It was probably one of these shells that cut his field telephone line. By now bleeding heavily and with no way to direct the artillery, Murphy finally retreated into the woods. The burning Tank Destroyer exploded, blowing off its turret, after Murphy reached safety. It is estimated that some fifty German Mountain Troops were killed or wounded by the artillery fire directed by Murphy and his shooting with the 50 cal.

As if that was not enough, Murphy refused to be evacuated to treat his re-opened wound in the hip. He led the survivors of Company B in a counter attack that retook the positions the German attack had overrun.

Now THAT was conduct worthy of the Medal of Honor. Murphy was also very modest about his exploits and often displayed a dry sense of humor. At one point in the Holtzwihr action, Battalion HQ asked him how close the Germans were. Murphy replied: If you just hold the phone a minute, I¡¦ll let you talk to one of the bastards.¡¨ In describing the shock of the German tank fire hitting his burning Tank Destroyer, Murphy said it shook the hell out of him - but he noticed that his feet were warm for the first time in 3 days!


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Luke-Skywalker ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/25 11:48
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³·­· ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/25 13:59
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Ghostwolf ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/25 14:57
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Luke-Skywalker ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/25 15:05
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No.1 M. E. ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/26 00:55
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fer-de-lance ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/26 11:34
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Wow, that is cold for Taiwan. It also got down to 3 degrees here this morning ...

- but that was Fahrenheit (-16.1 deg C ;8).

So much for talking about German Mountain troops!!

Re: Monkeying about vs monkeying around ...

The British and Canadians would tend to use the former while US would tend to use the latter. Anglophone Canadians likes to ask if you have been ¡mout and about?¡n with the word ¡mabout¡n pronounced very much like how the Scots would say it.

Well, if Chinese can have dialects so can English ...


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Luke-Skywalker ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/26 11:52
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No.1 M. E. ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/26 19:45
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Pikachuu ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/26 19:57
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NO:57_76
fer-de-lance ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/26 21:18
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Part of the mission objective is to find any evidence of water ever having existed on Mars - hence one of the landing sites in what looked like a former river bed.

There is, obviously, no evidence of water on Mars now. But if there was water in the past, that increases the probability of life having evolved at one time - before the current dried state.

Because there is no rain, there are huge dust storms on Mars as can be seen through the telescope (the Red Planet) and confirmed by the two orbiting probes.


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No.1 M. E. ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/26 21:54
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No.1 M. E. ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/27 17:05
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No.1 M. E. ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/28 16:59
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NO:57_95
Disk ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/28 22:19
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NO:57_96
No.1 M. E. ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/28 22:47
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No.1 M. E. ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/28 22:51
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Luke-Skywalker ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/28 22:53
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NO:57_99
EUer ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/29 03:40
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From CNN:

Another area concerning Taipei is Chiracs vigorous championing of the European Union lifting its 15-year-old embargo in the sale of weapons to China.

Should the ban be lifted later this year, Beijing will be in a position to buy Mirage fighter jets and other high-tech weapons from France, Germany and other countries.

As things stand, Paris has already made it difficult for Taiwans defense forces to procure parts for Mirage jets that Taipei had bought from the French in the 1990s.


NO:57_100
¬P¹Ð ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/29 13:55
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From US Department of State :

QUESTION: The French President yesterday suggested that the EU embargo on -- the EU ban on arms sales to China should be lifted.

MR. BOUCHER: That has been a discussion with our EU colleagues, including the French. Weve had some, Id say, senior level discussions with the French and other EU colleagues, other friends in the European Union, about lifting restrictions on arms sales to China.

Certainly for the United States, our statutes and regulations prohibit sales of defense items to China. We believe that others should maintain their current arms embargoes as well. We believe that the U.S. and European prohibitions on arms sales are complementary, were imposed for the same reasons, specifically serious human rights abuses, and that those reasons remain valid today.


NO:57_101
¬P¹Ð ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/29 13:58
Re:ºô¤Í¯d¨¥Äæ Part.3

US Department of State

Daily Press Briefing

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NO:57_102
Disk ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/29 14:10
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No.1 M. E. ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/31 05:16
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No.1 M. E. ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/31 05:19
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fer-de-lance ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/31 12:09
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$8k is the opening bid price - it will sell for more.

Either some moron with too much money and too little sense would jack up the price. Or, hopefully, it would go to some ex-Aggressor jockey who had made his fortune during the dot.com bubble and now wants to remember the good old days ...

I take one look at the Northrop seat and I see lots of things that could cause injuries ... No chute to stabilize the seat (unlike the later version), likely to tumble in high G ejections ... Man-seat separation strap (butt kicker) - might not be powerful enough to get the man away from the seat when it is tumbling - danger of collision and injury. No leg restraints, leg flail injuries just waiting to happen - especially at low altitudes and high speed. Ejection handles on the armrests - yes there are arm guards but tests showed that wind blast over the arm would generate enough lift to pull the arms off the arm rests and into the air stream - arm flail injuries. No sustaining rocket - no zero-zero performance - wait too long in a high sink rate descent before ejecting and you won t make it ...

Finally, the creme-de-la-creme, the zero-delay lanyard that you have to remember to hook up when you are descending. The seat does not have airspeed and altitude sensors like the MB Mk12 - you have to pre-select (manually) the low speed, low altitude operating mode. Forget to do that and you would be in big trouble. Forget to unhook it at high speed - high altitude and you would also be in big trouble ...

As you can imagine, the Northrop F-5 seat is NOT a favorite ... hats off to all those F-5 jocks in the ROCAF, Nellis, Alconbury, Miramar NAS.

Oh, no one will beat this - my ¤p¾Ç sweetheart in Taipei had blond hair and blue eyes!


NO:57_131
³·­· ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/31 12:40
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>> my ¤p¾Ç sweetheart in Taipei had blond hair and blue eyes!

I guess, Mr. fer-de-lance went to Taipei American School? ¡@


NO:57_132
fer-de-lance ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/31 12:52
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No, this was Bethany - current address of the school is next to the old site of the Tri-Services General Hospital.

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SANJYSAN ¡@©ó¡@2004/01/31 13:19
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fer-de-lance ¡@©ó¡@2004/02/01 11:52
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That is still shorter than ¡Õforever¡Ö ... had an Ex- who actually said to me (when we broke up):

¡Õ... I wouldn t have you back even if you were the last man left on earth ...¡Ö

Devastating blows like that to the young male ego might explain some of the subsequent mischief visited upon other women who crossed my path ... Case in point, I could never understand why girls kept coming to my friend and I for suggestions for English names.

My friend suggested ¡ÕCassandra¡Ö for one stunningly pretty maid. It sounded so nice and she liked it so much, I did not have the heart to tell her that Cassandra in Greek mythology was someone given the ability to foretell the future ... but was also cursed so that no-one would believe what she told them! (Maybe my friend knew something about the girl that I didn t, wonder if he ever suggested the name ¡ÕPandora¡Ö to any other unsupecting girl ...)

Names are serious business, I don t want to embarrass anyone (well, not too much anyway) but still wanted to have fun. So, when some pretty-young-thing with a last name of Fung (¡u¶¾¡v) asked for a suggestion ... I blurted out ¡ÕMimi¡Ö and ... she loved it!

If I am ever tortured and interrogated, I would stick to the story that ¡ÕMimi¡Ö was inspired by the heroine from the opera la Boheme (she dies in the end of TB ... but girls like romantic stuff like that ...)

But the truth be told (for the first time here), the name had a poetic source ... still romantic perhaps, but not in the way she might expect. It was a (oops, look out) Chinese poem, about a loving mother and her wandering son ... you know, the one that begins ...

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NO:57_141
fer-de-lance ¡@©ó¡@2004/02/01 13:15
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Actually, against conventional subs (SSK) with limited underwater speed, if you want to move quickly, sprinting at your max speed of ~30 kt is not a bad idea. What you do not want to do is to go too fast to stream your towed array or VDS fish but not fast enough to make getting into a firing position too difficult for the SSK.

The best torpedo the PLAN has in service is probably the Russian TEST-71ME or the TEST-96 with improved guidance on the Kilos. Both are wire guided and electric powered with a range of 15 km at the max speed of 40 kt. Against surface ships, these torpedos uses wake homing. That is they have to cut backwards and forwards across the wake to home on the ship. Difficult to decoy but limited to, essentially, a tail chase approach.

Sprinting at 30 kt makes it difficult for a Kilo - limited to 30 min underwater endurance at ~20kt to get into a firing position unless the target is headed more or less towards the sub. That is why SSKs are considered more of a weapon of ambush - most effective in confined waters of choke points where the targets had to transit.

Even if the Kilo was able to launch a TEST-71ME, at most aspects, it would have to chase the ship. At lower target speeds, the torpedo would overtake quickly. However, at 40 kt, the TEST-71ME would only have less than 10kt advantage over a 30 kt target. Much less if it had to cross the wake a number of times to acquire and home.

So, while you cannot operate sonars at high speeds of 30 kt, you are also less vulnerable than at lower speeds. Sprinting rapidly to a new position and then deploying your towed array is how you would operate in some scenarios. Remember, the SSK also cannot operate her sonars when she sprints to get into position. It can a very time consuming game of blind-man s bluff. You really don t want to be in close with a SSK who can sneak into position to launch on you. That has been described as a knife fight inside a closet.

Putting some distance away from the area of uncertainty around a SSK, re-acquiring with the towed array and directing the ASW helo with sonobouys and dipping sonar to do the work in close is usually the best bet.

Against a Seawolf or Virginia class SSN that can operate her sonar at high speeds and can sprint at 30 kt with unlimited endurance - plus attack you with a sub-Harpoon or a Mk 48 ADCAP that can go 65 kt for 22k yards (20km) or 50k yards at 40 kt ... well, that s another story altogether. (A Mk 48 mod 4 with 55kt/26k yards or 40kt/40k yards performance would be very nice already thank you very much! :)


NO:57_142
flak ¡@©ó¡@2004/02/01 14:23
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flak ¡@©ó¡@2004/02/01 23:08
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NO:57_151
Ghostwolf ¡@©ó¡@2004/02/01 23:22
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fer-de-lance ¡@©ó¡@2004/02/02 12:05
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Sure ³·­·, why not. Give the movie fans a reason to practice their English :)

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NO:57_158
³·­· ¡@©ó¡@2004/02/02 12:16
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Aye Aye, Sir !

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