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>>(Äè¤K¦n)ª±ª¯°«³QÄè¤C§¹¥þ±j«Áªº¸¾÷¡A´N¤£n®³¨Ó¸òIDF¤ñ¾÷°Ê©Ê¯à¤F¦n¤£¦n You know what? I dont know nothing. Seldom J-8s exact data and models are leaked. The reality is after Shenyang assembles Su-27SK, it still modifies and products J-8s now. No one is fool enough to build an really obsolete weapon. So could you pls tell me why? |
kde ¡@©ó¡@2004/04/11 09:39 | |
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¡ÖYou know what? I dont know nothing. ¬JµM³o¼Ë§AÁÙ¨º»ò·|§j¡H§A¬O¤¤°êþ¸Ì¨Óªº¾Ç»Ö°Ú¡H ¡ÖMig-29 also dodged some before it was shot down. |
yuio ¡@©ó¡@2004/04/11 09:42 | |
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¡ô Hay...Back to Topic!!! I say several times already...Do Not Pretend innocent and Crap some Not-Related 543 That guy already get a K-36D, I do not think you want to be the next. I allow the post by ra Brother to stay,
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Hier is right. Taiwan is in no position of R&D;&M; fighter independently. Its all about money and return bn investment. Taiwan need to pump in at least 2 billion or higher USD to keep fighter business going. I dont think we are in any position of doing that. On the other hand, co-production is a better way to go. F-16T (based on F-16E) or F-18T (based on F-18E) would be a nice option for replacing aging F-5E before getting any next generation fighter. Start doing it on 2005. Do configuration requirement study in first 3 years and next 7-10 years to do production for 120 fighters. It cost about the same as PAC III project, better yet, job opportonities at Taiwan. Taiwan should focus resource on missiles like SAM/ABM/AAM/Anti-Ship missile, even SSM or cruise missile. They are smaller systems and require only modest amount of resource/money for R&D; and much critical for Taiwan.
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Hydropod ¡@©ó¡@2004/05/11 17:05 | |
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