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NO:1323_3
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NO:1323_4
®ü°ê¥k½Ãªù ¡@©ó¡@2004/09/30 22:55
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

sucker (¡¨³tÃi±Ðªº¤H¡¨)´N¤å¶®¶Ü? ¬ü°ê¤H¥i±`±`±¾¦b¼L¤W³á ^^.

NO:1323_5
Luke-Skywalker ¡@©ó¡@2004/09/30 23:06
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NO:1323_6
Amabilis ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/01 00:47
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NO:1323_7
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NO:1323_8
F-16 ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/01 03:33
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

To ¥­¤Zªº¾Ç¥Í

You are not ¥­¤Z. You are excellent !!

This is Taiwaness cultrure. It has been twisted and ruinned since Taiwan has been occupied
by these Chinese.


NO:1323_9
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NO:1323_10
Student ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/01 10:57
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

So I guess if there are pan-blue and those chinese media in Ruissa, they will ask President Putin to apologized to the terrorists that kill 300+ children then resign, becuase Putin called those terrorits SCUM.

and the firefighter in New York should apologize to Osama Bin Laden and resign after he said Bin Laden can Kiss my royal Irish ass! according to these chinese-in-Taiwans standard.


Bouch of chinese scum, you can kiss my ass, and while you at it... SCREW you.


NO:1323_11
°¸ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/01 23:25
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NO:1323_12
Sunset ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/01 23:32
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NO:1323_13
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NO:1323_14
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NO:1323_15
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NO:1323_16
C4ISR ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/02 00:26
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NO:1323_17
F-16 ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/02 04:08
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

To :·Q­n¦Û¥Ñ

Why and how ... ®`§Ú¤¤µØ¥Á°ê ( not ¥xÆW ) ÃC­±ºÉ¥¢ ...

And who tell you ... ¤¤µØ¥Á°ê ( not ¥xÆW ) ÃC­±ºÉ¥¢ ... because ... // PLP //...


¤¤µØ¥Á°ê ( not ¥xÆW ) ÃC­±ºÉ¥¢ becasue Chinese lose the battle against communist,
not Taiwaness. If you are with China, get fuck out of this field.


NO:1323_18
°¸ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/02 05:33
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v


If you are with China,get fuck out of this field

Democracy is a kind of spirit to let people to say what he or she wants to say and
to respect each other.
Even if there is some one different from you,no one have the right to exile others.
Banishing dissenter was not the way that communist and dictator did and we dislike the most.
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NO:1323_19
hctb58 ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/02 06:44
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

Upstair:
You should post that in China Web site.

NO:1323_20
F-16 ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/02 07:49
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

To °¸:

Yes, you are right. I accept your opinion and apologize for my wrong attitude.

I do wish every Taiwaness can really understand what democracy means and pay respect to
our language, our culture and our country. This country wont be a wonderful country without
our help.

Again, I was wrong and would like to apologize for what I said.


NO:1323_21
°¸ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/02 08:06
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

TO F-16: It is my honor to meet you who do understand democracy.
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And I do wish we will become great country.

Yes,I agree that the Beijing regime(administration) need to learn more about democracy.
Although I know that it is difficult, I still hope they can get better.

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NO:1323_22
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hctb58 ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/03 15:52
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Good point.

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NO:1323_41
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NO:1323_42
ThereforeIAm ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/04 08:50
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

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NO:1323_43
hctb58 ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/04 10:30
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

No1323_41:
But one thing is so differnet from your exemples China and Taiwan are enemy.

NO:1323_44
°¸ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/04 14:01
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

To hctb58 and ThereforeIam:

Do we declare war to Beijing regime right now? If we do not, probably we just can say Beijing regime is highly unfriendly entity to us.

Cauz your English is pretty good, I guess you live in U.S.
So let me tell you what I saw, 2 years ago I went to Miami to visit one of my friends who is Cuban American. I lived at his home for a couple of weeks. My friend is about my age and his father went to Florida as a refugee in the early 1970s.You know, there are pretty many Cuban Americans here especially in Florida, and they just call themselves Cuban or Cuban American casually. They dislike Fidel Castro,keep their own culture, and some of them even speak no or poor English. As my friend said, No it doesn¡¦t bother to call myself Cuban. Everybody knows that, although he is citizen here.

The aftermath of Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 has lasted until right now. As we know, Bush administration still wanted to boost the economic sanction to Cuban at the end of last year. Yes, some Americans do think Cuba as Enemy (Although government officially regard Cuba as highly unfriendly county), but Ive never heard any Cuban American was exiled or lost the citizenship just because he or she call himself or herself Cuban, have you?


NO:1323_45
´¡¼L¤@¤U ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/04 15:00
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

°¸

The example is not comparable to the Taiwan vs China .
1) Cuba do not seek to invade US while China threatens to invade Taiwan if not follow their ultimate unification dream
2) Cuba do not call ont its COMPATRIOTS to vote for asimulating US into part of Cuba , while Chinese hopes its COMPATRIOTS on Taiwan to vote for pro-unification persidential candidates.
3) Cuban Americans do not confuse their ethnic identity with their nationality, while most chinese people confuses their ethnic identity with their natioanlity. Thats why chinese people failed to participate local society once they immigrated overseas.

Still, with all these difference, one in Taiwan identifying himself as a Chinese would not be deported from Taiwan.


NO:1323_46
hctb58 ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/04 15:01
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

Hi:
In case of war between Cuba and USA, I think your frind is on US side. But some so called Chinese-Taiwanese in Taiwan, They even want to fight hand in hand with Chinese army against Taiwan, and those people are beneficary in Taiwan.

NO:1323_47
MJ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/04 16:23
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

°¸

I agree with you. This is a cultural issue. Îx is as good (or should I say bad) Ä긴. Dont tell me you never say Îx because it does not matter at all. Îx is acceptable in common conversation because we are used to it. Minister Chan was meeting with with his fellows and friends when he say Ä긴.

Your example of Cuban American is a wrong one. First, they are threating US. Second, they do not have plan of action to do that either. I am pretty if they have plan of overthrow US givernment by any means of violent, they will be arrested and charged. As of the example of Texas and Quebec, you should tell Chinese government, not Taiwanese.

China is a threat to Taiwanese security and way of living. China already used military attacked Taiwan and China would do it again if they are powerful enough. They are working really hard to reach that goal as well. Your comparison is plainly wrong.


NO:1323_48
ThereforeIAm ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/04 16:55
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

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NO:1323_49
tpk456 ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/04 18:09
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NO:1323_50
ThereforeIAm ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/04 18:20
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

God, a nitpicker. Did you see the parenthesis bracketing the words ²Î¤@?

NO:1323_51
§åÂE®ü©_¬ü¦p¦ó ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/04 20:55
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

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NO:1323_52
¤C¤i ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/04 21:14
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

Mr. °¸

The situation imitating Taiwan and China with the relation between Cuba and US is unreasonable. US will not swallow up Cuba. Everybody knows that China attempts to swallow up Taiwan by the force of ar ms. Like this, how can you want Taiwanese to treat China with good intention?


NO:1323_53
°¸ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/05 01:46
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

Hi! Guys:
Sorry I have a lot of stuff need to do today, and I have to call my friend to verify some issues you mentioned. Could I discuss with you guys later?

Gosh~~ It is really raining dogs and cats here.
You have a good day.


NO:1323_54
¤C¤i ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/05 20:38
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

Mr. °¸

Already in one days, when can see your exposition?


NO:1323_55
µêÀÀ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/05 21:21
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NO:1323_56
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NO:1323_57
µêÀÀ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/05 21:29
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NO:1323_58
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NO:1323_59
µêÀÀ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/05 21:34
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NO:1323_60
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NO:1323_61
µêÀÀ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/05 23:45
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NO:1323_62
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NO:1323_63
µêÀÀ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/06 00:20
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

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NO:1323_64
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Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

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NO:1323_65
°¸ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/06 04:02
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

Ok! here we are.

First,to All. As the information I heard that even during 1960s and 1970s when Cuba and U.S.were in very bad strain. (the most dangerous moment in human history - said by President John F. Kennedy about Missile Crisis).Cuban Americans were still without afraid of calling himself Cubans. And (Americans actually didnt and dont care whether we called ourselves Cubans. They cared about Fidel Castro and his regime. And most Americans understand and respectthe topic of Cuba ¡X an element of cultural cohesion for the whole of the Cuban-American community) said my Cuban-American friend.

Parenthesis Bracketing is citation

Based on these materials, can we infer that U.S. treated Cuban people in U.S. whatever Cubans or Cuban Americans well and didnt exile them even Communist Regime (Fidel Castro) intended to attack on U.S.?

I didnt say this case completely match our current situation;however, It is an alternative thought and solution we can chose, and I think it is a benchmark for us.

Second, to ´¡¼L¤@¤U. I mean in U.S, eveyone who is first generation of immigrants or speak bilingual here always has what-you-called identity problem. So is my friend.If you live in U.S.,you will know that. But I buy your point that the person who influence by Beijing regime to vote in election is wrong.

Third, to MJ. sure, I sayÎx but even if I had thought that minister chen did the good job to kick Singapores ass, when I meet him, I say You did good job ,I dont say §A¥L¶ýªº³o¦¸°µªº¯uÎx£« .

Everyone has good night.



NO:1323_66
hctb58 ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/06 04:45
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

Hi:
Yes, American respect every culture aspects. Tiwanese have been brain washed by medias and educations for many years even now, Chinese terminology occupy in Taiwan, Do you think that is fair to Taiwanese? Cuban culture just one of cultures in US.
From last paragraph you compare PLP as bad words, acutually you dont understanding Taiwan language at all.

NO:1323_67
Student ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/06 10:32
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

This °¸ is either a retard or just flat refuse to see the fact.
Why in the world, would you think Taiwan vs China situation is anywhere comparable to Cuba vs US?
Have your so call C-A friend ever said US should be occupied by Cuba in front of any American? Have your friend ever said US should stop arming itself, and let cuba aim more and more missles to US? Get a clue, most cubain in US oppose Cuba regime. Most Chinese in Taiwan oppose Taiwan regime not chinese.
Repeat!! only moron will think 2 situations is comparable.

NO:1323_68
°¸ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/06 11:27
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

To: Mr.hctb58
Again, I would like to say there is no superiorty in any kind of culture.
Yes, some policies of prohibiting Taiwanese from speaking local language that KMT administration imposed was wrong. About the problem official language, it is really too complicated to discuss that easily.
About PLP, I think that is pretty enough.Will you say this kind to sentance to our honorable Vice president Miss Lu. °¸«Ü·Q£u£²±zªºÃi¸´.If you will, just do it.

To: Mr.Student.
About the question you mentioned -- What hell in the world make you analogize these
two cases?--- That is what I wrote down in 1323_65. Read carefully.
Most Cuban Americans are against Havana regime and hate Castro badly. Yes,I agree with you. But They are not against Cuban Culure. This is the reason why they still call themselves Cubans. These are different perspectives.

And I dont believe what you say (Most Chinese in Taiwan oppose Taipei administration but support Beijing regime). If they do this way, they are wrong. Spend more time on these Chineses but not on those crooked politicians. You will find actually everyone just wants to do something good to this country.

Yes, I admit I am retarded and moronic or I just leave and let the Chauvinism in Taiwan get worse and worse.



NO:1323_69
Student ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/06 12:41
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

°¸, Good you admit you are retard. Maybe you can learn something from now on. It does not matter you believe what I said about chinese in Taiwan. Their action speaks for itself. Like I said most Cuban American do not do what chinese in Taiwan is doing now. Enough said. If you think most American wont mind those Cuban (so call culturally or not), if they did what those chinese in Taiwan is doing to Taiwan now to US. You are a bigger monron than I think.

Just in case your brain can not understand.
Do you believe when Pat Buchanan said the reason he wants a tougher boarder control is because he is afraid of terrorist coming to US thru US-Mexian boarder, he really means it? If not (hopefully your punny brain will come to this conclusion), why not?

Also from what you said here --> Will you say this kind to sentance to our honorable Vice president Miss Lu. °¸«Ü·Q£u£²±zªºÃi¸´.If you will, just do it. You shows once more you do not understand the language at all.


So, for a retard that clearly does not understand what is happening in Taiwan, you sure make quite a few commends on Taiwan.


NO:1323_70
°¸ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/06 13:26
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

um...... I do not exactly understand what you are trying to say.
Are you talking about security problem of boundary bewteen U.S and Mexico?

Anyhow, nice try!! elaborate again!!


NO:1323_71
°¸ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/07 03:00
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

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¤C¤i ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/08 01:07
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

Mr. °¸

The old saying is discussed again. Cuba is not Taiwan, US is not China. In Taiwan, very inconceivable, someone maintains that Taiwan belongs to a part of China. And, maintain the these people one speeches and the China with. The measures relying mainly on body consciousness in Taiwan of people that Taiwanese government can not strengthen education? We maintain that Taiwan is an independent country, so we will safeguard Taiwan and avoid being swallowed up by China with the means of trying best. Do you agree?


NO:1323_73
¤C¤i ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/08 01:13
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

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°¸ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/08 12:10
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

Mr.¤C¤i
Sorry to respond to you late.

My personal standpoint is that Taipei administration,and Beijing regime are two different entities, and we,Taiwan-ROC,are actually independent without any doubt.
However, no matter we call this island ROC,Taiwan,or whatever is fine to me.

The most important thing is EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY HIS OR HER OWN OPINION and DONT USE CHAUVINISM TO PIT AGAINST EACH OTHER AND TO COPE WITH DIPLOMACY. I seriously mean it!!!!!!!!!!!!



NO:1323_75
hctb58 ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/08 13:02
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

Hi:
So it is Ok to say you are pro China.

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Echo ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/10 02:28
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¤C¤i ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/10 23:19
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

Mr. °¸

Agree that you say that have the right to publish the right on the personal suggestion about specific incident everybody. Similarly, it is that standard chauvinism is not to assert by you or me, do you agree?


NO:1323_78
¤C¤i ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/10 23:22
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

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°¸ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/11 03:32
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

To hctb58:
Sorry I answer your question late.
It depends on how you define China. I pro ROC and the chinese culture, but if you regard china as Beijing regime, then no.

To Mr.Echo:
Discrimination??? Give me examples.
If you live in U.S., you will know what discrimination is..........

To Mr.¤C¤i: Yes, Chauvinism disgust me.

I have two mid-term exams next week. I will not often show up recently.


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¤C¤i ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/17 10:23
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Mr. °¸

Talk about chauvinism have one general phenomenon, censure others for having some type chauvinism, does not often know that oneself is one chauvinism too oneself. For example, some Chinese expert think, so long as involve the things of China, his view is correct. You say, is this expert chauvinism person too ?


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°¸ ¡@©ó¡@2004/10/17 13:24
Re:¦³­Ó¡u¥~¬Ù¡v¤k¥Í¡A¦o´¿¸g¯º§Ú±·¦­À\©±¤k©±­ûªº¡uÃi¸´¡v

Mr.¤C¤i

Yes, I agree with you. I am not on whose side. The people who always think China is absolutely correct are also Chauvinists, BUT I DONT.

By the way, I dont mean to nit-pick. If you have some examples of cultural discrimination nowadays,please kindly let me know and I think probably they are my blind points.


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