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NO:683_53
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¡@Oops! Sorry, I am no resident of Taipei city.
However, why should I know it is a she or he? Who cares? I only care his/her position as a member of the opposition in Taipei city doing something so stupidly.
My point was that he apparently attributed Mas fault was merely not careful enough in choosing his words. And Ma naturally climbed out of the hole via this ladder so considerately arranged by Mr.©P¬f¶® by saying that he would choose his words more carefully in the future. But does anyone of any thinking ability would believe that Ma did what he did just due to a slip of his tongue? So, why did ©P¬f¶® do it?

NO:683_54
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NO:683_57
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NO:683_58
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Please refer to NO:683-42 by abt and judge for yourself. I do not think you can get the full text of his criticism in any of the mass media. But I think Liberty Times is reliable enough to be the base for our own judgement. The Chinese saying of Hsiao Ma Da Bang Mang depicts Chous criticism perfectly.

NO:683_59
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NO:683_60
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NO:683_61
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NO:683_62
Papagino ¡@©ó¡@2003/09/24 17:46
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NO:683_63
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NO:683_64
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Re:¤½§ë=¤å­²¡H¡@¦æ¬F°|²Ä287¦¸°|·|¿EÅG¥þ¬ö¿ý

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NO:683_65
yl ¡@©ó¡@2003/09/24 21:25
Re:¤½§ë=¤å­²¡H¡@¦æ¬F°|²Ä287¦¸°|·|¿EÅG¥þ¬ö¿ý

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Haha, can you guys deny the fact that Chou did very condiderately set up a ladder for Ma to clamber out of the hole Ma dug himself? Read No.693-61 more carefully. The wrongs of Ma are not issues of ¤p¤ßÂÔ·V. Mr. Chen YiShen, in my opinion, also made the same mistake in diverting the focus into ¤p¤ßÂÔ·V at the end. It simply is not consistent with the ÅãµM¬O¦³³Æ¦Ó¨Ó judgement in the text! That paragraph suggesting Ma to be ¤p¤ßÂÔ·V is like adding legs to the picture of a snake (Hua She Tian Zu). The best tactic is simply let Ma stew in the wrongs pointed out without preparing any excuse for him. Leave the set-up of ladder to the members of Mas lackeys in the KMT or PFP! It is simply unbecoming for Chou, a member of the opposition in the council (DPP), to make an excuse for Ma.

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You certainly have the rights to speculate whatever you like. But it is beside the point. After all, we are not the parasite worm insider Mr. Chous body. We can only let the facts speak for themselves (fact is:a ladder was prepared and Ma did use that ladder, Su~Teng Mo Gua, or Da She Shue Gun Shang!!!). I am sorry that you still could not get my point.
By the way I could not fathom how you could come up with those speculations of yours after my post of 683-53.

¥xÆW§ì¯Ò¤l : Does your handle match your life-history? I wonder why anyone would put that hat (¥xÆW§ì¯Ò¤l ¡@) on ones own head! One can speak only for oneself. But what anyone can do with someone who apparently can not tell right from wrong nor know what is shame? TskTsk!


NO:683_66
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Re:¤½§ë=¤å­²¡H¡@¦æ¬F°|²Ä287¦¸°|·|¿EÅG¥þ¬ö¿ý

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NO:683_67
yl ¡@©ó¡@2003/09/24 23:10
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You got it!
But I can not help emulating someone to speculate a bit: why did he do it? Was there a quid pro quo (or horse trading) behind it? I can only wish it was simply Chous carelessness in CHOOSING HIS WORDS instead of something like Guan Yun Zhangs Hua Ron Dao!

NO:683_68
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